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the Senate is now involved in writing labor legislation. We have before us the so called Kennedy Irwin bill. Last night, the Senate, by a margin of one, amended that bill by adopting the amendment offered food by the able senator from Arkansas. John McClellan. I'm very proud to have as my guest at this time, John McClelland.

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I think he knows more about labour problems at the present time than does any other person in the United States Congress. I'd like to ask you, Senator McLelland this Bill of Rights amendment of yours, which we adopted last night. It's your beef, of course, that it will improve this bill in which you mind stating why you think it will improve the bill.

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Well, it greatly improves the bill because we have found certainly in that area that many unions are controlled and dominated by union bosses who rule with violence. And by instilling fear into the membership and members who are in those unions, members are denied their legitimate rights.

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What we're trying to do with this Bill of rights is simply guaranteed a union members the rights that every other citizen enjoys under the Constitution and give him the opportunity to give him the means to protect himself and exercising those rights and those liberties that he's entitled to.

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Those people who oppose this amendment said that if adopted that it might tend to destroy unionism. This amendment destroys nothing except that which is evil in unionism that ought to be removed from it. I don't see how anyone who believes in the legitimate rights of individuals and their liberty and their freedom can oppose this amendment.

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Now, Senator, I understand you're going to offer some other amendments, particularly with respect to secondary boycotts, which I expect to support. Would you mind stating why you're going to do that? Well, we found that great. Either improper practices are engaged in with respect to secondary boycotts.

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I don't think the innocent should be picketed and put out of business or his business interfered with simply because he may be handling a product. And at at at the factory where that product is produced, there may be a labor dispute why people handled a given name product for years and build up the trade in their area by a trade name of that product.

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Well, if they happen to be a labor dispute at the plant or at the factory where it's made. Why, I don't think that gives union any right. And I don't think they should exercise the power of going around and picketing some merchant who may handle that product to try to make him stop handling that part of in Commerce and intrigue.

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Senator, what do they mean by this expression? Blackmail, picketing? Well, blackmail, picket in. That's why they go into a business that's unorganized and say to the manager, We're going to pick at your place of business unless you join the union, he says, Well, I'm not gonna put my men into the union.

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They say, Well, now we might be able to get along if Oh, for $5.10 dollars, I can keep the union off of you for another year. Well, if you do that shakedown picketing, are you going to offer an amendment to make that illegal? That's already illegal, But why?

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Here is another one that I regard to shake down fixing when they say, if you don't put your men into the union, if you don't make them gone or you sign up for them, then we're going to pick at your place and put you out of business.

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That deprives the men who work at the plant the right to save for themselves whether they want a union or not. And what union? They might choose a senator. If we adopt these amendments, which you propose, that is the basic amendments. Do you think then that this so called Kennedy Irwin Bill will be a better bill and will not only be a better bill, it will be an exceptionally good bill if all these amendments I propose should be adopted.

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Do you feel that the result will be to improve unionism, re strengthen unionism? If these amendments are also bring about greater integrity and unionism? And I'm talking about those unions where that is lack of integrity. Now, thank you very much, Senator McLelland for these expressions of your views and thank you very much, Ladies and gentlemen, for looking in.

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I hope you'll look in and listening again at the same time next week.