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Scene one, take 1 2030 eight's matters. How do you do? Ladies and gentlemen, I'm very pleased to have this my guest on this program at this time. The very distinguished senator from Missouri, Senator Edward Long. Mr Long Senator Long is the chairman of the committee subcommittee of the Judiciary, which is looking into the rights of individuals.

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I think it's called What's it called The practice and procedure. And what they're seeking to do is to find out whether or not the private rights of individual citizens are being invaded and what they have discovered. I promise you will astound you as it has made Edward.

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You tell us just some of these things which you have here and what they do. Fine. Thank you, George. I'm certainly delighted to be on your program. I think one of the most interesting gadgets or electronic devices we have found and then we find that these are being used.

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Many of these devices that I'll show you are being used by the federal government, various agencies of them, which, incidentally, we found the largest purchaser of this type, equipment that they have it can be purchased by anyone there. It's advertised freely in many magazines for small amounts to large amounts.

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Not only the government but industry the criminal element of the country also can use these and use them very effectively for extortion and blackmail list. Little gadget I have here is called, uh, Sugar Loaf microphone, just about the size of a cube of sugar. This little microphone and transmitter can be with a piece of gum can be pasted under your desk.

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It can be put under a dash of a car and transmit the conversation with car five or six blocks. The same thing in the room can be hit in a a rose blood, which it was in one of our hearings, and everything can be transmitted to a recorder, Uh, from a blocked six blocks away.

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You can see how small it is. They even have some of them that are smaller than that. Here's an interesting gadget that looks just like a wristwatch. It has a microphone here in the back that can pick this up. This goes up your shirt sleeve, and they can be able to military tape recorder in your shirt pocket or a transmitter that will transmit the conversation in the room the way.

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Then, of course, you remember. I don't have one of them here to demonstrate to you. But the of the martini, the Ali that was in the martini heart, which is a small transmitter this smaller, smaller, made like an olive and the toothpick in it is actually a aerial that's transmitted away.

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Here's an interesting one, and particularly so to you from the great state of Florida. Mr. Rosen, Steal the chairman of the board of Shin Lease. The liquor distributors was having difficulty that his private conversations and business matters were being transmitted out and other people were finding out about them.

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This is a typical example of industrial spying. He found that in his bar in his, uh, vascular. Uh, this, uh, this particular type instrument, which is a little transmitter, was picking up all the business conversation she had there. He thinks they were being transmitted out to bolt out close to his home in Florida, and he testified before my committee that within 30 minutes the decisions that he had made there were known on Wall Street in New York, so you can see the danger of it from that standpoint, this little gadget in this, uh what looks like a paperweight.

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Just very small is a complete radio transmitter that gives you some idea as to how, how small, how easy it is to conceal this type thing. This is a another, uh, a transmitter that we had some testimony about just the other day. The telephone companies, uh, tell us.

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And so this testimony was that when they, uh, anyone would go in to discuss a complaint or any problem with the telephone company this, uh, calendar start, it looks like a desk counter is placed on the desk. You can look at the bottom of it and you see that it is a transmitter.

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The calendar comes up and there's a complete, uh, microphone and transmitter there on the desk. Here's an interesting transmitter. Uh, it can be carried in your shirt pocket of your coat pocket. Anything in a conversation that takes place in the room can be easily transmitted, can be placed in the in the package of cigarettes carried in your shirt pocket or coat pocket and transmit for five or six bucks.

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Let me ask you a question right there and that not only records the various conversations, but it also really, it can send it out all the way. Transmit. It's a transmitter. It's not a recorder. This particular instrument is just a transmitter. It picks up the conversation like we're having now and will transmit it to another room or to a car outside.

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They tell me up to five or six blocks away. They do have some smaller ones, as we can show you in a moment. Some other gadgets. Uh, why that there is a recorder in connection with it, but this is just barely a transmitter. I say This is an unusual one.

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This is a little transmitter that's built into a dental bridge, and Anderson down Texas sent me that. They've used it to search for some medical research, but you can. The transmitters are here to be placed on the bridge of the tooth in your mouth and ask you a question about that one.

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Did the man who wore this bridge Did he know that the transmitter was there? Was he the one they would get the information about, or does he collecting? Well, actually, he was used for some medical research. They were doing and the man knew it was there.

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But it would be easy to, uh, for the agent or the man who desired the information to have it in his mouth. And, uh, then the entire conversation he'd be having with someone would be transmitted out and be recorded. Uh, and the person who was there talking to him and not know what his testimony was being taken down.

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What is this we looked at? We looked at that. That's the transmitter that we found in Mr Rosen. Sealer one just like it. Mr. Rosenstein, let me ask you this question. I notice you have brought this sign with you. It says, Remember no classified conversation that's apparently put out by Bell Telephone Laboratories.

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That's right. One of our investigators picked that up in the office of the Bell Telephone laboratories advertising and telling their age their employees that no classified conversations were to be used on the telephone. This telephone, wiretapping and bugging is a dangerous situation, and it's very prevalent.

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Not then. It's used by many of our government agencies. The Internal Revenue Service and other agencies do a great deal of this, and it's so terribly easy now to wiretap one other question before we get into that. What is this? What is this here? That's a very complicated It looks like this.

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An ordinary briefcase that many of the agents shoes. We This is the one. I believe it's used by a Food and Drug Administration. Uh, this can be carried him to The agent said in the room he can discuss your problems with you, and, uh, it can be Everything is recorded in here.

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This is a complete unit. He can leave it in the room, and then you'll be talking to your lawyer, your accountant, and he goes out and you still just sit there while everything is you and your lawyers say, But the inside of it is very, uh, sophisticated.

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As you can see, there's, uh this little gadget here is the transmitter that, uh, you can put in your pocket and pick it up several blocks away from you. But if you don't want to do that, even then it comes back in and it's picked up by this, uh, machine here.

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And this is a recorder. And this is a complete unit within itself. It sells for about $1400. As I say, the Food and Drug Administration seemed to particular specialize in this type. Let me ask you a couple of questions about these government agencies. What agency? Besides the Food and Drug Administration, do you think are doing this sort of thing?

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We were invading people's privacy. We have. We have found that many of the agencies of the government admit that they use them as a part of agriculture. For one, the food and drug, the Internal Revenue Service, the the Internal Revenue Service Not only if used in male cover, they've also used opening of the first class mail, something we've always thought was very, uh, sacred in this country.

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I have a bill pending now to prohibit the mail covering to prohibit, uh, Internal Revenue Service and the Postal Department from using, uh, male cover off from opening your personal mail. Incidentally, while we were speaking of, uh, recording and matters of this kind, you might be interested in this picture.

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The senator this back on the wall here, which is a complete, uh, unit. Uh, thank you, Kathy. Uhh. You can take this back off of this and you see, it's not a picture at all. It's actually a recording device transmitter. Everything that's been said here has actually been picked up and recorded by this picture.

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That apparently was just a normal picture on the wall. Suddenly, we'd have to agree to this. An invasion of people's privacy. Let me ask you this. What do you think that we can do about it? What is what are you going to do? Further about it.

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And then what kind of themselves can be one of the? That's one of the problems our committee has. We're finding the extent of it, the methods that are used. And certainly we expect to come up with some way to protect the rights of the privacy of the individual citizens.

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Well, that'll be by a constitutional amendment, whether it be my statute, we have not made a definite decision yet, but there must be something done to protect the rights of our citizens. Thank you very much, Senator. Long for this wonderful discussion. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for looking and listening.

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And I hope you're looking and listening again at the same time next week.