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Scene one, take 1 16 84 feathers. How do you do? Ladies and gentlemen, I'm highly honored and privileged today to have is my guest the world's most famous evangelist and a very good personal friend of mine. Dr. Billy Graham. Dr. Graham is here in Washington. Well, I might have you tell us, why are you here in Washington?

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Particularly time? Well, I'm here to see some friends and to spend the night tonight at the White House, and that's always a great privilege for me. I have been been a friend of yours and President Johnson for many years and cherish both friendships very much. Well, you're mighty generous and mighty kind to say that the two issues that seem to me that most disturbed people Florida through the South, the nation in the world, the issues involving civil rights and about South Vietnam.

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So, Brother, briefly, I'd like to ask you somewhat about the civil rights issue and what you is a preacher think that we ought to do and whether we are in fact handling it in the proper matter. How do you feel about that? Well, Senator, I think that first of all, we ought to get the racial problem in America in its proper perspective.

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It's a world problem. This is the problem on Cyprus, not only between two races but between two nationalities. This is a problem in British Guiana between the Negro and the Indians. This is a problem in Malaysia between the Malays and the Chinese. Prime Minister Harold Wilson, the other night at the Lord Mayor's banquet in London had to refer to it, indicating that he was disturbed about the racial situation even in Great Britain.

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So it's a world problem. Wherever you have two races living side beside you have difficulties and problems. This is the problem on Cyprus between the problem in the Middle East all over the world. It's a problem now. Uh, the answer to this problem is a recognition, of course, that we are creatures of God and that we are made of one blood, and this is very difficult in a world that is changing so rapidly as ours because we've suddenly become a neighborhood without being a brotherhood, and I don't think that we can possibly ever solve this problem, whether it's in Cyprus or whether it's in India or British Guiana or in Great Britain or the United States, Apart from a strong wurl faith in God that will give to us a new capacity to love our neighbors as ourselves.

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This is not a Southern problem. It's an American problem. It's a world problem. It's a problem in Harlem. It's a problem all over the world. And I don't think that we ought to point to one particular section of the country or to one particular section of the world and say it's their problem.

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It's a world problem and it demands a world answer. And that world answer is that God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son. And when we reject God and we reject Christ, we're going to have hate and we're going to have a prejudice and we're going to have war.

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We're going to have all of these things because human nature is diseased. And until human nature has been rectified and changed, which I believe God can do, we're going to have these things happen time after time. What is your attitude with respect to these people walking out into the streets and participating in demonstrations?

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Uhh! He sometimes with the approval of law and sometimes not with the approval of law. How do you have any feeling about that one? Where is well, I think one of the American heritage is that we have is the is the right to peaceful assembly, But I don't think that we ought to engage in assembly if it is breaking the law.

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We have to have law and order and where law and Order breaks down. Of course we have anarchy. Law and order must be kept, and we may have certain laws that we don't like. Perhaps there may be some laws in the South or in the north that we don't like, But we should keep those laws because this is law.

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The Bible tells us that we are to obey those in authority. Not when the Apostle Paul wrote that he was living under the tyranny of room and Rome was a terrible slave master. And yet, Paul said, obey the authorities of Rome because in obeying authority, you are obeying God and we are to obey law.

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And I think that if the law says that I cannot march and I cannot demonstrate, I ought to not March and I do not demonstrate. And if the law, though, tells me that I should send my child to a school where they're both racist, I should obey the law, whether I like it or not.

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It's the law of the land, and I believe we have a Christian and a moral obligation to obey the law. And it's going to hurt both ways. But we must maintain it seems to me, in this country, if we're to keep our democracy and to keep our great nation, we must have law and order, and we must obey it.

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One further question on this subject and will shift to something else. Do you think that in point of fact, and you travel not only all over the world, but all over the United States? Do you think that we are moving toward a solution to this very difficult and agonizing problem of differences or differences of feeling between the races?

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No, I wish I could answer in the affirmative. I think that that tensions are probably greater between races at the moment, uh, than they have ever been, Uh, at least, uh, in in in the among the masses of people. Now, if you take the top educated echelons of society around the world, yes, there is a greater understanding.

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But as yet this has not reached the masses of people. I think we have more attention throughout the world at the moment between nationalities, between groups and between ideologies than we've ever had. And I think the world is moving very rapidly now with automation, with the speed up in travel and communication moving very rapidly, scientifically.

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But we haven't kept up morally. Our hearts haven't kept up with our heads. And somehow we've got to, uh, we've got to have a moral and a spiritual awakening that will give to us an understanding that we live in a world where we have to love our neighbor, no matter what the color of the skin.

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And no matter what his particular cultural and nationalistic background, maybe now, doctor, in that connection that ship to South Vietnam in that area, we're not, of course, demonstrating on either side very much love or respect. One for the other out there. Now, how do how do you as a spokesman of the Lord, how do you account for the factor?

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How do you justify that if we need to justify that, which we're doing in South Vietnam? Well, first of all, Senator, I think that that we are up against a Communist conspiracy to take over the world. Now they have said in book after book and article after article.

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But they hope to have the entire world by 1972 or at the latest, 1975. They think they're on target. They think they can capture the world without war. I personally don't think you could drag the great Communist powers into an all out open war because they think they're close enough to winning the world now without war.

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However, if they come to a point where they think they can't win it without war, then I don't think they will hesitate to have a war. And I think that there is some evidence, perhaps, that in the next five or 10 years, China will not only have a powerful nuclear force, but we'll have the capability of delivering that force.

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So our decisions are going to have to be made, always remembering that we may have to deal with China and the evidence at least that's come to me through magazines and articles is that if we had a war, uh, they probably would kill about 60 million of us, and we would probably kill about 300 million of them.

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But they'd still have about 500 million left, and so that even though they lost the war, they would still win because of their tremendous numbers in population. Now, this is a very frightening thing because these decisions that we make as a nation have to be made in the next few years.

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I think many of them have to be made under the present administration. And I'm sure this is a heavy load and a heavy burden upon the President. And that's the reason I pray for him day and night that God will give him wisdom. And God will give you and those in, uh, in places of responsibilities such as you are, Senator, that God will give you wisdom and courage at this hour.

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And I think, for example, in Asia, the situation is I know Asia is that if we lose in South Vietnam or if we pull out, then India is threatened, and Thailand and Burma and Malaya and Australia all of them are threatened. All right, Dr. One very last question.

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And because our time is just about up. You have many friends in Florida. How is your own health and condition? You look wonderful. Well, thank you, sir. My health is fine. I went to Hawaii instead of Florida this year and got sick. And I think next winter I'll be back in Florida.

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Thank you very much, Doctor Graham. Thank you very much, Ladies and gentlemen, for looking and listening. And I hope you'll look in and listening to you and at the same time next week