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ladies and gentlemen, I'm highly pleased and honored to have is my guest at this time the head of the whole space program for the United States of America. Mr. Jim Webb and I want to start off by congratulating him on the very successful flight which has just been made by Mr Grissom and Mr Young and the whole space team.

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We're glad to have you. Well, thank you very much, Senator. Let me say that the important thing is not just one flight but the fact that we have a team that knows how to make these flights. You know, the Grissom young flight was very important, but when we could come right into the moon, why we wanted to come and show in real time to the world of pictures from that place, uh, giving us not only information for our future programs, but also the scientific information that so many scientists need to to understand the whole universe that we are studying.

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I think this team is the important thing the United States has. Well, you're responsible for developing it, and we're proud of you for it. Now, let me ask you this question. With respect to the flights made by Grissom and Young. What did you really learn about this particular flight?

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And what difficulties could you tell us that they might have had, which could be corrected. And how do you feel generally about some of the technical aspects of it? Here again, Senator, Smile this. I think the important thing is that we learned all we could for Mercury using the atlas.

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The biggest boost that we had. Now we went to work to develop a spacecraft that we could use for maneuvering in space for joining two objects in orbit around the Earth to build a bigger space craft. And to be able to get back home by using a computer to calculate, carefully calculate how to get back from any orbit.

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You see, once you change your orbit, you got the problem of getting back where you want to come back on the earth. Now, Uh, we tested this with the two unmanned flights of Germany, and the man flight yesterday proved out the system. Now we begin on the next flight to go to work with it to do useful work using these capabilities.

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Now, I think that's the real significance of it that that we have got a machine that builds on the experience we've had that can operate, uh, over any part of the earth and can vary its orbit and therefore join up with another, uh, spacecraft. In that case, we're going to join it to a big engine, the agena on one of the flights before too long and use that engine to do even further maneuvering than the propellants we carried on the spacecraft.

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Now that's the usefulness of it. All right, Now, let me ask you in that connection, we have a lot of people, of course, who write us letters and say, Is this whole program worth it? We're spending roughly 5.5 billions of dollars. And what are we learning?

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Are we getting back in return enough to make this expenditure worthwhile? What is your son? This mother's without a doubt. This is going to be one of the most valuable programs that's going to yield more return per dollar spent than anything we've done in a long, long time.

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Now, what I mean by that is that in our aeronautical and space programs, we have about 90 people now working on materials problem between 50 and 60,000 on the new materials that you need for aeronautics and space and another 35,000 on how to use materials to build those great complexes like we're building down in your state at Cape Kennedy, where you have all the requirements of electronics and hydraulics and liquid hydrogen to work with.

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Now we have to use materials for anything we want to do as a human race. You see, the all business of men, money and materials has given way to mend money and technology, and we applying technology to materials. Now, this is going on broadly, with about 400,000 people in this country working on those problems.

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And the covenants of the country is vastly increased by this effort. Let me ask you another question which we're all concerned about. Are we ahead of the Soviet Union in this particular field? And if not, are we going to be able to catch up with them anytime in the foreseeable future?

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Well, some to smile as you know, they developed their big booster. They've been ahead of us. They are ahead of us and they will be ahead of us in this area of manned space flight. But we are building a system like Germany that will give us in 10 flights a vast increase in our knowledge, the Apollo and the lunar excursion module on the Saturn five.

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We'll go far beyond anything that that they have done. They've flown about £15,000. This will put 260 or £70,000 in orbit and send three times the weight of the Earth orbital vehicle as far as the moon. So we are moving right into the capacity to do what we need to do.

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Well, thank you very much. Our time is up. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much for looking in and listening. And I hope you're looking and listening again at the same time next week. Mr. Webb, I would like to ask you if you would please her to go just a little further and stating to us what are some of the allied benefits that result to our economy and to our nation into the free world, so to speak, from this so called space program?

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Well, the Sons of Smathers, of course. You know that since 1915. We have been marrying the best efforts of our scientists in universities and our engineers and our industrial companies with government laboratories to achieve superiority in aviation. And we've developed the greatest power in the nation has ever had in the use of the air.

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Now, in doing this, we not only have created a great commercial air system and military power, but we are creating a capability to solve urban congestion problems these vertical takeoff and landing aircraft moving very fast. In all of that work, we've learned to use materials in different ways than the industrial economy ever knew how to do before these so called thin wall structures.

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With the big engines that come out of this, we have maybe three times as many materials that we can use at very high temperatures as a nation because we've developed them for this kind of an effort. Now, you know that in studying heart disease, we have some special centers now that instrument the heart patient and keep him a while feeding the data into a computer.

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The old system senator was to take a e k G about every four hours. Now they take something like uh, 4000 measurements. Now I forget the exact number, but it's a large number. And they learned this from your pro. Well, our senses have helped him, and the use of the computer has helped them.

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And then the continuous matching of the readings of these instruments against a predetermined, uh, a path that would be desirable is something they've learned from the kind of programs that were doing. But the point is, once they have that patient awhile and see what is, uh, measurements are like, didn't they let him go out and do what he wants to do?

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And the information feeds into the computer and anything looks like it's not, uh as it should be. They call him back in, put him to bed or do whatever is necessary. In the steel industry, the fact that liquid oxygen is available has increased the efficiency of our steel industry tremendously.

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And therefore, you might say, we're working with energy. These big engines, we use it at Cape Kennedy burned three tons per second of fuel and oxidizer, and we go all the way down to transmitters that used three watch to get information back from Venus. So we use energy in all kinds of forms.

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Very modern electronics is an essential part of our program. Very careful systems engineering of very Lloyd Systems. Then, of course, in addition to energy and materials and the electronic control of this, we have the man in the loop, the place of the person. Now, you know, from your work here in the Senate and your knowledge of business that these are the same things that pertain to economic growth, the economic power of our nation as well as our military.

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And total technical power is vastly increased by the work we're doing here. Thank you on that subject. Very much now, Mr Webb. A matter of great importance, of course, to all of us, particularly those who live in Middle Florida area. What looks like to you is the future of Cape Kennedy a complex.

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Will it continue to grow at the pace that has grown? Or is there? Do you see any diminution in the future? What is your view about that? Well, Senator smiled as it cannot keep growing at the rate it has over the last two or three years.

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We found ourselves with the necessity to build a complex that would permit us to design, manufacture, test and then launch big boosters. These very large machines, like the Saturn five that takes £6 million and lift it straight up and puts, UH, 250,000 in orbit and sends 90,000 of the moon.

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These are gigantic machines. We have to have large buildings and large large facilities and large transporters for them and and water transportation system to get them there. Now that is being built. And we're investing in these five Southern states, including Florida, about 2.5 to 3 billion of capital facilities, and managing another 2.5 billion of contract work from the centers there.

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Now that can't expand at the same rate because we'll have the capital plant built. But the important thing is that we will end this program not only with the learning how to work out to a quarter of a million miles with men and do anything we need to do and explore The moon.

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Have communications, satellites, weather satellites and that kind of thing, But we'll have the ability to launch 67 fires per year from Cape Kennedy and 6001 B rockets, and that will put £2 million per year in orbit. If the nation needs to do it, It's a continuing capability, like building a railroad that can haul freight for a long time.

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Well, thank you very much. And in closing me, I say that we're grateful for this information. We would remind you that Mr Young, who participated in the flight yesterday with Grissom, is an Orlando boy. He comes from Orange County, and we're going to have a parade and celebration for him very shortly.

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And naturally, we would like very much to have you present. Thank you so much for being with us. Thank you, Senator Smiling.