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when you go it Sunday Today's report from the nation's capital by Senator George Smathers We're honored to have with us the distinguished Majority Leader, Senator Mike Mansfield. Now here is Senator Smathers. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm proud to have is my guest at this time the distinguished majority leader of the Senate, the able senator from Montana.

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And most important of all, as far as I'm concerned, my good friend Mike Mansfield as my guest. George, I'm delighted to be with you. I'm introducing him as the majority leader and truth. In fact, by the time that you see and hear this particular telecast, this fellow might be the nominee of ice bread.

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The United States. I would hope so. I would hope not. And the answer will be no. If the popper is made. All right, well, we'll have to wait and see what the developments are. First Mike, let me ask you about the how do you think this Congress has done this year?

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And how does it compare with other Congresses? I think this Congress has made an excellent record this year, and I think the four years of the Kennedy Johnson administration we'll stack up with any other four years in the history of this country. When I think of what's been done in the field of education in the field of mental health and mental illness in the field of conservation, when I think of what's been done in the field of foreign affairs and the test ban treaty in the life, I think that this Congress has nothing to apologize for and a great deal to, in effect brag about Well, I certainly share that viewpoint with you now.

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You mentioned the tax feel. We've done a great deal. Have we not in the field of taxes? Well, we have. But I should ask you that question because you're on the committee, which was responsible for bringing about $11.5 billion tax reduction, which has done much to resuscitate and revive business to lower unemployment and, in effect, to raise employment and create more jobs.

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Uh, Senator, when do you think that we're going to be able to finally close this session of Congress down? My guess is, at the moment, it's only a guess would be October 1. That's not very encouraging. How long do you think the will be tied up with the Mansfield Dirksen Amendment with respect to reapportionment of state legislatures most of the month of September.

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What is your general feeling about that particular bill I'm getting? I support it, but I'm getting a great deal of criticism from some of the larger newspapers. Metropolitan newspapers In my state, I presume you're getting a good deal of criticism. But what what is your general feeling about the philosophy of that bill, which you proposed?

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Well, I think that the Supreme Court decision handed down several months ago should have contained in this instance the wording deliberate speed Some of these states, like Oklahoma, Illinois, New York and Colorado, perhaps others need a little more time to bring about the reapportionment decreed. And I think it's only fair and reasonable and sensible that this time be allowed not for the purpose of circumventing what the court has decreed in his dictum, but for the purpose of allowing to an orderly process the carrying into effect of a proper apportionment in each state.

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All right, now, let me shift to just a minute to ask you sort of a subjective question. You have worked as the majority leader with president late President Kennedy. And now, of course, with President Johnson, used to be the whip under President Johnson. Would you mind telling us how you judge the two men and not to make any comparisons?

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I know you love and admire them both, but what's the difference between working with Kennedy in the White House and with Johnson in the White House? Well again, George, that is a question that you should answer, because together we've served under both presidents. I find I found them both men easy to work with.

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Um, Kennedy, of course, was not the extrovert that Johnson is. He was more withdrawn, more silent. But they were both men of steely determination, both men who knew what they wanted. And both of them have endeavoured at all times to try and get along with the Congress to achieve the best possible results in the way of legislation.

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I would say that the four years, which will be completed when this session of the Congress ends, is a tribute in effect to the efforts made collectively by both President Kennedy and President Johnson and trying to put into operation programs which would benefit the American people as a whole.

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All right, well, thank you very much. Senator Mike Mansfield, for this interview. In these comments, we wish you the very best, as always, and want to get you down to floor just as quickly as you were reelected. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for looking in, I hope youll looking again at the same time next week.

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The last Tuesday morning. And you heard the president, as I did say that something about the fact that he had asked for some 50 bills or 51 bills and how many of them had been passed. Would you mind telling us what that conversation was? Yes. At that time, he did present us with a list of 51 bills which he had sent to the Congress and asked for action on since the first of the year.

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At that on that occasion, the number of bills which had been passed by both houses and signed into law number 38. At the present time, the number will be 43 or 44 either signed into law or passed by both houses in conference and at the White House.

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That I think is a very respectable record. And when we get through with the second session of the 80th Congress within the next several weeks, I would hope I would. I would dare say that we would have pretty close to a perfect record, 48 49 of the 51 proposals.

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Well, I think it is a remarkable record, and certainly one in which you can take great pride as the majority leader, because in almost every one of those, it's been your leadership, which has frankly made it possible for us to get it through the Senate as well as it's gotten through.

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Let me ask you this in Florida. We have, of course, a great cattle industry, as you do out in Montana. And recently we took up what was known as the Mansfield Bill and the Finance Committee with respect to creating quotas on that amount of beef, which could be imported into the United States.

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The president, of course, was not for this bill, nor was the State Department. But because of your insistence, we passed it. What do you think about that particular bill now that it's going to become law? Do you think it will be effective in helping your cattle man.

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It most certainly will. It doesn't go all the way that you or I wanted it to go, but it's a long step forward, and I think that on the basis of the bill passed, and incidentally, you've played a very important part in the conference committee and were in effect was in effect, my main avenue to that committee and discussing what should be done.

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I think that the protection which the cattlemen throughout the nation requested in the field of imports has been granted just about along the lines they wanted. They have been given the assurances which they needed. And I'm quite certain, despite remarks made on the floor of the Senate during the debate on the conference bill, that the State Department and the Department of Agriculture will pay heed to what the Congress has done in this field, and that from now on the cattlemen will get the consideration and the protection which I think they deserve.

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I would point out George, the cattlemen have not asked that quotas be abolished. They are willing to give importers like Australia and New Zealand a reasonable amount of the market. But they do not believe in. Nor do we, that they should be given in excess of of 11% of the market when we have in our own country overproduction, overfeeding and other factors to contend with now.

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The cattlemen were constantly in your office during the period that we were debating this bill on the floor of the Senate and later in the conference. Was it your impression that the cattlemen's representatives here in Washington and the state associations throughout the nation were favored the bill with which we finally ended up?

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Yes, indeed. I was in constant contact with Brooks Keogh of North Dakota, the president of the American National Cattlemen's Association and his executive vice president. Uh, they were in touch with the presidents of the state associations, and I think that the state associations approved, So far as I know, none of them, to my knowledge, have disapproved.

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And as far as the national is concerned, they think this is a good deal for the cattlemen, and so do I. Alright now, shifting again to another subject. We have passed almost all the appropriation bills and we'll have passed all of them except the foreign aid appropriation bill.

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By the time most people here this broadcast, can you give us a rough estimate as to whether or not that which the Congress has appropriated will be under the budget request or under the request of money made by the president? Yes, I think the Congress will follow its usual procedure.

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I can't give you an exact figure at this time, but I would estimate that the reductions made by the Congress in the budget request of the president will average somewhere between one and $2 billion under the amounts asked for. And is it your understanding that this amount of money, which we are spending in the upcoming fiscal year, is considerably less than that which we spent last year or the year before?

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Yes, it will be less. And I think that on the basis of economies which been which have been made in the government by the president, that much more will be forthcoming as a result. Do you believe that it's possible for us to get a balanced budget anytime in the near future, not in the immediate future, But I think if the gross national product increases and the tax reduction program which the president has put into effect and which he'd like to extend still further next year.

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The year later that the prospects for a balanced budget in the future are not too remote. But for the immediate future, I would say no, but we will have it. You think down the line somewhere? Yes, I would say Give us 23 maybe four years and we'll achieve it.

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But at the same time, we'll get more out of the expenditures made as a result. Thank you very much. Senator Mansfield of Montana, for these statements and thank you very much. Ladies and gentlemen, for listening. And I hope you're listening at the same time next week.