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Good afternoon. Today is September 29th, 2013. This is Sarah Blanck with the Samuel Procter Oral History Program. I'm sitting here with Mr Dubois. Andrews. Mr. Andrews, could you start by telling me about your family history, your parents names and when and where they were born? Okay.

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Good afternoon. My name is Dubois W for Wilfred Andrews, and I am from the find like canal zone. Especially area was a town little town called Silver City. Can also on this on the Atlantic side on That's a very short distance from City of Colon, which is Terminal city at they the another end of the canal now Super City Waas Uh huh.

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What they call in those days a non United States citizens community. It was very segregated and s o the establish distinct communities. Uh, for the U. S. Basically, the white population and your other communities for the other people were not us citizens. They have very few non whites war and not or not, U s citizens mainly.

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And you know, the old idea that say this little town I came from is called Silver City at the time the at limited education for the non U. S Citizens US is. And they established from elementary school grade school in court through high school, on top with economic zone college.

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It was established but that the attendance was restricted toe U. S. Citizens only. But in time to negotiation and with the unions and all that money later on, a whole lot of things that's right to it. Canal Zone was called the U. S is going through.

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I saw the developmental thing one step after the other. Any help? I was my family, My father, Basically he was one and said you should. That's very a French teen. And but his father was my grandfather or sento Costa Rica as a superintendent of maintenance there on DSO, where a lot of land when you was a little boy my grandfather suffered an excellent point, died.

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So by that he was born and raised in Costa Rica. So he spoke three languages. French. It's just really a language from ST Lucia and Spanish, of course, because basilica, the Latin American country, of course, English place that I don't know if you know the history of shit show was one time friends and e it's changing on those days, especially different wars.

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Anyway, The point is, uh he spoke to lands which I regret that I myself opportunity. I learned I learned French in a little kid, but going up among appears, you know, a French people, crazy people, they always talking with their hands flying air They wanna fight or not raising boys.

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I you know, a little kid, a peer pressures and is hidden so I could speak. I understand. Understand? Allowed grow and speak it. You know, I learned to regret that later. I'll tell you what I have to any other. The point is, I grew up into the city.

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I usually a military and, uh, what you call it, middle school education. Then fortunately at a time when I graduated But the older teachers, because education system for the non us started in 19, 8, of course. You know Canela from 19 for 4 to 1914. Next year will be the 100th anniversary of a billion.

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Cannot. Any help? Yeah, by that time. Okay, I guess it Government sponsored, but but Spirit churches, the Baptist Church, the land inside over store was the place where just started and there's a school for, you know, it's of course, like you. I could see it was long before my time, you know, because it's all about nine weeks.

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I was born in 1929. So you know, fortunately, when I reached the end of the road for that segment of schooling career, I am, we'll spend allowed to. But I I did. Yeah, different tests and whatnot past them. I was able to become one of this election selected persons for what was then called a broken normal Change school.

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And so even though at the time I was graduated ninth free this knowledge, any school of the bridge complete high school on the first two years of college, four year school I What's one? Of course, if you incomplete all of that, I graduated. That was given.

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Appointed by the government, of course, to be a teacher. So I started teach from way back in 19, formally after graduation, 48. But I really started from 46 and this was you were appointed by the canal Zone government. Okay, Got a letter from the superintendent schools pointing me to this position, which was okay, but of course, the salaries were her choices.

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A US teacher, a year seven teacher got it. What, almost 10 times. And what's funny is I would make that's a non U. S. Employees any other. The fact is that I stayed with system, so I I should have done like a lot of my other peers went off to the states.

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Many of them completed the degree work and it's not like one, gentlemen and I We used to compete in school because we're both very good And mats on the left, the count room system went to New York, got the additional degrees that needed e when he retired for two years ago, retired head off the math department for sunniness Um, State University of New York.

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What is his name? His name was John Evans. Okay, we're both just making sure that way we're both piers, okay? From birthdays and you're still in touch. Yes. And not everything, especially with my health problems. But I know where reaching, you know, Released My fuckers. Come here.

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We have, you know, had a good time together. Nevertheless sound I'm saying I'm using him as one of the examples. There are many others I left the canal zone where the miserable rate that they're paying us. I have top here the states and really made some pretty good money because when he retired with making a good, healthy six figure salary and I was too in the five figure area and, you know, all because you know John McCain?

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Yeah, for me, that name that you hey, was born in the same hospital. That was warning in the canal zone. His father's admiral in charge of the naval services. Well, my dad was simply supervisor what they call it supply and survey section office to us. So what?

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The government do all equipment that they'll buy from time to time that became asleep because, you know, with new inventions and all that something become obsolete on DSO work, he was in charge of that little section. That's, uh was more than unfortunate thing. That's, uh, sure the You know, for example, you might need a part for some vehicle machine.

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You have. They have a deer surveyed and scrapped. But the government would never said that free. They got it. Yes, sir. Get rid of it. To get the space very cheaply. I remember that. Just get mired. Uh, they connected. Didn't want Thio. But I didn't want to live in the stone because it was kind of resume e A free and easy.

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And so the collector, I told him, but he didn't like the way I got the part. A time with very crucial, very hard department. Unfortunately, lady whose daughter at center for her daughter live in Boston. She says good friends and family. She told me what you can I move up Friday evening.

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You can move in, By the way, did that? So I Monday I went to collect and I said, My aunt, she really my heart. She is basically very close in the family. But who would tell? Because we are black people together? I don't know. I said to him, You haven't painted my aunt's apartment in a few years and I happen to know a lot of every five years was forced to pay today that you have.

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So he said to me, You are you I said, I just told you Yeah, let's get down. Well, you have no right to the apartment. You're living there. I said Yes. My aunt is left for a while and she came back. So I'm staying there. But the department has painted a man got pretty mad being e have not paid the anything affordable.

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You gotta get out. Because if you answer the one of me the concert she left, she abandoned E said No, it doesn't work like that off course. By then I had a few. I knew a few persons in Proposition, so I went to hell of the rental division for the government.

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That's no, This is a Panamanian going on the U S E. I told him What? Uh, hey said don't worry about eso. You called him a man refused to even get my money to pay for rent, so he said No problem. The man that e 10 Lieutenant, come to my office, paid my secretary really give it to you.

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You can't refuse us s o e. I was mad at me because the office today contract I said okay. 10% for their services. Uh, so I kept it up for a few months, and then he decided losing money. So he gave me upon What I when I told him a place as per painted That's the law.

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You know, of course, by the being a personal and, uh, on a school and you can read it all for you. E need somebody to Yeah, it was pretty mad at me. It's regardless, you have to pay. It's very refused. So what happened? That my father working in this surveillance company, will you imagine oil pain?

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You know, I plan not inexpensive. My father bought 42 or four gallons for me. I got my friends came and I went to the entire apartment. Thio. So finally, when I told the man at the head of the they call it killing nothing in public, that's the head of the housing division.

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Uh, he said to me, Oh, you're not supposed to be for that man. So he called it collect, and you paid my apartment. But just being that about a year ago. So what he did, he sent the whole batch of men were eight men off painting, earthy.

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What? A man came on the the jam. My and what? So he can't pain that I said, Well, you have to paint it. He said, no. You use our pain. We don't use I pay. We use a wash. I can't put Washington with a pipe because after a while they are pink.

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Yeah, sweat and beat off. What? And you know, I I had to go back to the head. You thought him and said Sure, many have script of waas. I don't want to hear anything where that when it's finished for me. And that would be a sense of what to expect in Tiu.

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And that's how I got my waas paying for the second time about a year and a half after moving. But it was an interesting thing. And career wise, I thought great school I first thought started for three. Then I was a friend of mine. We're we're very close friend.

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We graduate together. What? He went off U S army. You're sounding cause being good at I told you we looked, I wouldn't mind. But I'm sure that we all could become officers and e I mean with our training. But I said, I'm not gonna fight wars around the world for what I am not giving fair shape.

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Democracy, liver. So another one of those persons when I'll be in, you know, crusading a but I'm not gonna allow myself. I never go anywhere. He was in junior high school, teacher, certainly in the ninth grade classes on, uh, the prince powers. Very interested in knowing that I had a similar background.

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Give it. I guess it's a good rating like he waas for the worker is doing so the prince, but immediately slap me. You need to there. So I started in the middle of school that I worked at for a few years, and then look for me, luckily, some of my students, or given the opportunity to come out here as exchange students and they did well anyhow, yeah, a za result of that.

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When I finally amassed enough money to go to we'll graduate school here in states. They are my one superintendent. Superintendent told me parent to become a school concert because we need we need one year to. So what I did, I took a minor in school counseling, but I major, by the time I had shifted from my into social studies in English and on, that really allowed me then to really get a hit.

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So when I came back, the prince by that needed a school cost because Rwanda's there. He became a principal in one of the other schools. So I worked at that for about two years. Why was working on that? The opening came out to be for principle.

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Your same area was So he came and said to me, How come they don't see your name? A long list of names I have here what people want reprint sports. And I said to it, I am just abide my time until I have enough money to go up and get for graduate work.

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I mean, I did gradually got I graduated everything pretty good grades. And so he said to me with You must have more, uh, cause a reason that that spy said, Well, yes, I do. What? I very expressive. You're around. So he said, Why did you go to the reason I said The canal zone operates here Sort of like your puppets, you know, all the different areas.

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So you guys who I had a top of the you're staying there. I'm sure you have the administrator in different areas, but they can't make it. That's definitely decision this on what's up in the air in that area. because somebody, despite all the work you're doing whatever you're doing to keep your situation, somebody decides.

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You know, this is my friend, that is Children committed some default or some problems. So I'm ruling in favor. It's I say I can't. But it was dead. If I'm gonna Shit, I tell my teachers from time I look, do whatever you want is a wide volume off all the regulations or this.

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Make sure you don't break the rules because my wave life how much trying? We're in a school. We have a mission. We have something accomplished on this is guided by the rule, the regulation of school. So if you really want to get by with me, let's play by the rules.

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You know, you can make your own rules. I say can't work it out. We left. All right? Yeah, maybe all I said, no. No, you ordinary change That changed him, Warner. So because I put my name in two days after Amy calling person, right, come in and met.

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Put all the names together. Next time, you're easily became our selection. So that's that's fine. Matter of fact, you were so impressed in my getting the position that he turned around. I wrote me a letter, appointed me to the position, but he didn't put the usual.

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Anyway, the first year he served, his probation has just standard. So when he sent everything to the personal division, they closed back. And so you better get that letter back from a gym because the left back told me your name to the position. You know, you can change.

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So I said Okay, so hey, came down 13 Hand me together. Where do adjustment on you went back over The extreme left about 15 20 minutes after any. Or that was my movement. Career wise. And how old were you when that happened? At that time? Let me see.

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Uh, I feel about 30 32. And you already know your had already met your wife when that happened. When I got my shortly before. Yes, At my I was working for about almost 20 years. About 16 years before I uh huh. Yes. Got mine, like I could.

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I started working, actually, 46 but officials time full time. It was from 48 and I got 1950 t. So, Yes, So my, that's not so I am. What's fortunate? I can say that you cannot always involved in please. So the there was a lot of presidents going on schools in the gonads.

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Oh, and I said a white people who are basically from the South s Ellen mentality, where you felt we are only people. Us don't call like what's happening with the immigration laws today. I mean, no, as this is a country of immigrants. Why are we being for cigarette against the Latin telling them?

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Hey, you guys don't college community, country ***, How many people from Europe didn't come to Ellis Island illegally? You know what I'm not saying to? My mother always said two wrongs make a right, and she was right. If strong is strong, you can't be right. Like mats much you either right or wrong.

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You can't be both ways. So the truth of matters lets be compassionate, become human, and so forget about politics. Unless certain people are these people contributed into the welfare name improvement of the United States. They have, and they will, and they continue to Well, we have to open avenue.

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No. Sure you can't get on Egypt. Artists of war, but you can put steps in there that they can inspire to make it. Okay, fine. You know, like you're taking a test of school. They give you all the parameters to study. You know, once you get to sit down and take a test, you should make you make you don't make you don't make it, you know?

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And they are not fighting that. Just like that was not when the Korean War started way back in 1950 I could have. I was just a young man. I would now it just worked on me. But the thing about it is that I did not. I saw it this way in Isis.

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It is the greatest country in the world on Based on the way you look at a two principles that George Washington and those very followed a gun Should me, you can see the men were very thinking involved. Vision? What kind of country? So to make this country function.

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That's why I put it there. Yeah. Wow. In there he got trampled. Well, uh, everyone in this country to enjoy the same rights and privileges The first year of freedom. That's liberty. Life pursuit. of happiness. No way you can do that. So level playing field for see this crazy thing This up in here where you find a 1% of the people making all the money on the people will build this country.

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You know why they call? They've been wars that one after World War Two or jewelry. Uh, the greatest people that we have had in this country because you're wide open and they are only one thing opportunity. Open up. More freedom for more people, that is up.

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This country is not like any of it in the world. I know today were trying t o turn it back this nonsense. We're going to look being a bit Congress already appropriated these things and suspended. So how no time expect to pay for it. He said No, you know what happened?

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I don't like Obama. Obama thinks so. Unless you debunked that. The thing is the law passed by the same progress passed by the Supreme Court on the president's signed and everything. No, you can't tell me here. You must Tonto. I'll be unprecedented. Never happened before. I'm glad he said.

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Well, it's not hot, so we have amount of during the 36 hours left out. Before we can see weight of that, we're going to continue sailing ship from the sun. E was listening to the coverage in the car and wondering if that would come up in our interview.

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Oh, talking about that e like tying in the past, the present too much, too much. But this is the greatest nation of world. I tell you something, I always tell people, you know, got in there asleep or dead. You might put us through like you know, what amazes work is, you know, in misery.

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If a person puts you in a amazed until you find your way out, you might find you spend it always tryingto find the opening from one side or the other. But there's one, but it's not easy to find. And that's what we're doing. Going to amaze work off political nonsense, you know, because you did the fact the more way open things, all of people they created on strong in this country's see Yeah, but after so well, the interviews that I've done in the past with people from the canal Zone, they tend to be people who grew up in the white middle class community and had that experience.

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And when they tell me about that experience, they it sounds like the United States and US suburbs in the 19 fifties and sixties. They just talk about how ideal it waas and how close and everybody waas but that people, right, Right. So I imagine if you didn't have that experience of being white and middle class in the canal zone, you have a lot more to say about that.

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That on the record because we don't suffer a lot more it please, because they're, you know, they cannot. Unfortunately, with this you were George Wallace. Us. One would say it's about segregation today. Segregation yesterday, segregation forever. We're not gonna ever change we gives. He gave the non us non whites in the south here separate the equal facility.

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The separate yellow never equals, you know, growing up what they used to do, whatever your that you know Boston correctly putting subject works in they all the new books and put a big budget in go ahead time. Most of the funds came from U. S Treasury E never sent down to when I was on day in church.

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They so they'll buy all kind of new books on the you might have a using one set of books issue next year put you set. You know, what's our kids? Who are those who are being brainwashed into being segregationist? They put some actual substance, right? So awful things in the booth on.

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Then you come T Oh my God. Who says it's me, Thio? You don't even know me. You don't know where the book is that end up with you. So I'm saying, because segregationist mentality in a way so non us people at a terrible way. In 19.

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15, you're in the last second term off president, right As no Eastern. Down by then, people have been how's your data and say, why all these governors coming down here here matter as if we'd isis in fact, those days in Congress with appropriate increases for people salary, you have toe scales, go lower and see girl wars for us citizens.

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Several everybody else. He had white people who lived in the non us needed today maybe from West Indies here from Europe. Those who were not designated from the beginning, as I mentioned to you, but I was born the same hospital. Yeah, of course. Years before, um, John McCain, Because about four or five years old, what, 34 years or but because his father was abnormal can I was only in the United States, continued to United States, but his father not was us.

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So us automatic a in the U. S. When I went to get my first job. You know, it took me about three months before I find it did the first day of work. You know what they I told my father was born in ST Lucia on when I got my ID.

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Then he said, The W I So I said, National be the way I was that we're conscious guys to be the guy each other libre office He said, I mean British West Indies. Besides, how you determine that I am from Bishop Destination when I've never been there.

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See, my folks lived in Canada Zone. I was born in Color Hospital, which was one of the two major hospitals in the canal zone that was Atlantic Side One, he said, doesn't matter. You are not. Your parents are not us one where some of you can't be so I said, Well, way right out in the laws and then we break laws.

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E expect me toe Follow the law if you stuff not good for you know And you know the guy said, See what you want, But that's love. So he insisted. Europe otherwise, that doesn't make sense. My dad. Yes, it might have been born. He was born in conclusion.

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My dad is not a safe. You shouldn't so to speak. By then, he had growing up on adult. It was really was Puerto Rican from training all idea. Mexican people here, United States. They don't know anything about Spanish. They know what the United States laws are live on it on.

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They have given a chance that can prove themselves worthy. Susan. What? They were not doing that, but a matter of fact. The first man who was a big guy said Men share one of earlier on. And you're the point for me. President was generals. Is there a students?

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Stephen said, Let me tell you something. We have two salaries in this place. I know the persons who get go. People were White Barn that's a segregationist, bigoted mind you're not worried about the performance on a garter. Like my beauty being said, I hope one day of my four kids grow up in a country where the content of the character is what determined are not the color of the skin.

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You know, a lot of you don't know. They said, You know, you had a lot of not a lot of good number of things. You are engineers from my from a major thing. If you have you ever look, that's in geography of the canal zone. It runs from north, not a section of the Guardian C, which is now off the Atlantic Ocean.

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On those self Bob Barr which is in the Pacific by my base, you know, comes out of the Pacific Ocean. No. So what? What is that? As fast even is concerned. If you were not white on one of the States, we have nothing for you. You take peanuts.

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I like it. So what? So they have moved. This is something a lot of people I'm not truly aware are the one they were building. That's nine or $2. President, uh, throws with this started. It's all the signs ships. It's all the different Darby. And let's pick up a book.

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Chickens? Yeah, I have. Yeah. Free ride to the canal way. Need many on the unfortunate thing about that, Uh, be in the canal zone. A tropical police. Most of you from Western is climate is on the panel. Other experience. But then he has malaria. And on yellow fever, it was run in terror for and throughout places.

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I killed a lot of people. So the Western Union equal? Yes, but I mean, there were more hard to face that kind of thing. Where? Commission. That's why Later on, after the canal zone was established, the but us still plus tau create what they call chopped goal difference.

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That's additional pay. So as a person from us US, they're really getting the goal e get 25% mawr. On top of that, is it a little where on the question of the doctors came up, they got another 17 or 18% more. It had 40% more. So I tell them.

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But I admire quiet little way of fighting to like a lot of I'm glad we did. I used to tell a lot of my students in high school, I say, as you follow, you realize one thing this world is gonna etcetera, not by wars who by the fall of the pen, Because the English people I started sister, they say that the pen is mightier than the sword.

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You put 10,000 men in this area sort fight. They may kill in out of 10 or 20 or 30,000 people. One stroke of the pen e wiped out a whole nation. See? So I said, If you are persistent in the truth, you're gonna find it long run true to set you free just as the Bible tells you, you know, despite all the iniquities and are bigger than thinking that a lot of people off a farm really so.

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But the truth of the matters. One of the greatest ports here from United States. You ever heard of Ralph Waldo Emerson? What he said, champion to the ground. But rights again. It's a truth. You can't take that too, though that's why when I see what's happening in today's thing, I said, the rude awakening on the whole America wakes up next year.

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We cannot have this divided Goldman and you're gonna say, you know it is not my way. I'm never allow it to be my way or no way. No, that's not what George Washington man when you talk about having to, that's why it's going to have to parties, not a million party, that a bunch because they expect regional people.

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Sit down. We may have. We may disagree with that, but we don't disagreeable, you know. And so we all sit down. Reasonable things. United States are, you know, yet? Vietnam War. But it might be after your time. We'll know you. So you were teaching during the Vietnam War, right?

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That's when you were principle. What I from the Korean War in 1950 there now are ours in the late fifties sixties seventies and in the seventies on the Nixon Imagine the mightiest arm in the world the most, um, equipped, best equipped on in the world with a lucid e What?

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Thank you So my shirts and diction of aside. But the same thing happened in this country is form. I watched that walk to Yeah, every event in New Jersey. Yeah, event chantome or gente incident in the Princeton consent, there is it during the winter during the summer.

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You going nice? Yeah. I watched the war. Doesn't on, that's why. Business resource. Surprise. These guys are so determined. Many off your Washington man didn't even have shoes. So they wrapped their feet with old shirt. So e walk to all that snow. Solar feet. Uh, the British especially has lessons.

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They are same. Bang. No, it's younger. Starts Joy Western Company. Over. Crazy enough is winter. They can be created. This e to watching us on for Christmas is a big eso. Surprised. So they were still in bed, you know, But the point is that the truth will set you free.

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When did you go all the way back to They are the judge. When Joseph was so bad. Brothers to these traders. And then Joseph for finally picked up a big, officially pharaoh's army. He sent 15 years estate, you know, serving but Joseph for the man of talent and God in his sad anointed him become, uh, a big man and he rose from being a slave.

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All we have to the second in command, uh, unfair. Saw them right in the water. They call it in. Joe said. Well, even means that you have seven years of phone on some years of nothing farming. That's fine. Then you plenty 70 in the coming 20 if if Egypt large Russia In that time I have seen industrial agriculture.

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If you don't do what a prudent thing, you're safe. What you find then when the 72 the final government, everybody bad shit. So the by that not experience when fear realize up Jordan for the amount of vision he made himself a your second in command of this entire empire, you know?

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So later on in his own brothers game before his back of mind, begging for food and provisions, they didn't know it was their own brother talking through. But the point I'm making is that the truth will set you free free in their way. If you're always honest free.

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That's why I said, that comes 2014. I don't think the American people forget it's the Republican really caused. I shut down. You got me. You know what it's gonna be Oh, man, they're talking to this. People are poor and getting certain subsidies from government that they are moochers at, uh, Mitt Romney said What's your what?

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I work for 40 years for the U. S. Government. Whatever I derived knowing my old age, it is not a handout. Anyone? It's an investment mitt. One could take you gotta millions of dollars from when people are investigated and then got rid of this company and kept the money.

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You don't call on Musha? Yeah, eso as what? I'm saying that, uh, this cancer is a great country and I was just on the government is a wonderful one. But to have so many opposing views of it especially the greedy ones, Like I used to say when that day Big waas shooting 99% against one I said, You know, this country a lot of filter rich people.

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Well, we have which is a given because if you want to belong to this guy's a very rich So take other work rich and see what the rest of phrases all but which are filthy people because they're greedy e mean this country, the way that bean over past more than 200 almost 250 years I've built is that we all grow together.

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Currency gets rich. Everybody, How many people have come charge Herbert Bush and I consider a man of great great mine and feeling for people with those people. When he was president, he said What? I want America that filled off Ah, lot of general people. People were kind and gentle Thio each other America.

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He couldn't want anything better than that. But unfortunately you answer it. We're gonna probably within set. If I'm rich, you have nothing and makes you have nothing. I will make it sort of whatever you earn. I take it you can't do that. This country only e mentioned.

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I watch because under his administration, that's where one of the big changes the demographics of this country started. What she's saying. If you're rich anywhere in the world, you don't have to go to all the change that people are playing for permanent residence in this country.

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No, you just show that you're rich way saying you in, man, you come in here and you have right to become citizens. That's why you have the sources and all that. So when on the Reagan Yeah, the Cold War actually ended free. Georgia. Surely the you were surprised to know how many Russians you didn't know anything become a billion years in this place.

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We are used to know burkah e I used to tease out you say, or you live in Russia expressed this idea Very cold country you need. When I used to call, I call a You know, you wait until your needs the heat. So the but there were provide people with that kind of heat Keep the gold itself.

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You know, when the Russians have become billion years selling all kinds I was advised to see the I don't think any more. What? I'm surprised to see how many different types off how But it is, uh, as a no wonder aloud Russians will never had anything.

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We just think Fuck. All day long you drink yourself into a stupor where you could hardly understand where is there night. You know what? That's the word for you. And you went far from can also. So when you were teaching, study social. Did you teach social studies?

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Only in high school Or did you teach that in the middle school, too? Middle school. I started teaching social studies. English I met on these schools were segregated within the canal zone the canal zones. Schools were saying, Well, your time frame. Okay. The segregation of schools stopped in 1970 stone.

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Okay, I was then. That was the last high school principal had for non U. S. Schools. No, but that trend started in 1963. Military about President Eisenhower have named, um, Governor Carter, where the cargo associate in the US to move this. They called us citizens. Communities add certain pools that time says, at club houses, on the whole enough for Syrians.

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Or if you're not white, you put, not enjoy those things. Usually a little by little get fighting. I want a good things. You that the other time f f l c l a union. Very powerful. I think George Media is one of them. I mean, in the, uh uh, so I don't exactly know, but, uh, yours meaning, uh, one time negotiating for the union.

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He went for the president of the United States and said, Mr President, he can make only one. This isn't This isn't It's only fair that people to do it so and so when you got to, the president said, Forget it. Uh, we're not going to change the system Because if you realize so join me and said, I'll give us to further You know what it is tohave your, uh, extra extra Terrien system in the body.

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So you're what you know, you where you have B m's and Oh, yes, excretory system. Yes, I said, Well, you know, it's the president. Okay, Used Stick with that one hard position. My people do one thing. Yes, shut down the whole work. If Bauer's can't work in the body, the old body sick and they died for president called him back after what happens to be You want thistles back in the High citizen early fifties?

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Uh, yeah, let late forties. Art assistance. Maybe in the fifties. But he gave up because he got the plan. I mean, oh, in this plan was cool. Well, in New York City one time I know if you heard that one time New York City had a tremendous, uh, garbage truck, that's right and there.

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Sure, sir. Consider, I think that little guys sacrifice fridge on the South. We don't pick up the garbage. It was also the first week, but that's first week. Yep. God was finally just has had high rise religion on then the flies and all that. We have the same thing in the city of Colon.

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I remember I was living in apartment in the city of Garland. I said sitting Jason toe. Seriously, where was wine? I mean, the way I grew up buying through the hospital? Yes. And when these guys refuse stuff, participate the the manner, if you But it was a whole lot of it is not I can't simplify it.

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But the long and short of it that no guys being collected some of so many merchants to hire private people with Chuck's going pick ups on the garbage where I'm living people just shows you got in the Holly Holloway between the buildings, you know, now I lived on upper floor on that thing was got up high in iron.

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I had to call the correct one. You see us happening, what was gonna take a dire city, and that's when it's out of it. That appeared to the U. S. I went to help him out, took him out. What? Some people I had so much God is where she was showing her please on so many migrants were going on.

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What did the Children gasoline and burned this stuff right here in Dallas? I would tell you that's why we get rid of markets, but should get really all of us, because the fire gets into the ability. I said, Where did we live? But the point of it eyes to show you that in everything, especially if you have the truth in this Don't give up.

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You may take a lot of time for you to improve yourself, right? But don't give up. Stick with your principle principle that if something just unfair, I mean shouldn't be fear for a little man on the bottom. I'm not sure of the big one on top.

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I can't refuse. That's for the big one on top, because they have all the money and all that, as its means. A little bit below, you know, right through the rough. While the Emerson says true, Trump put the ground right again, you know? So how did you get these lessons across to your students, especially in social studies classes?

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Oh, well, that's a big but not said I'd say one of the things I used to tell my students, especially in the middle school. I said no social studies in, like is partially gossip. It's already been two shots. Said If I come and I tell you a nice yeah, exciting story you leave You really fired up Because the story I told you e s a lot of things I've learned in reading history and all that.

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This sir is written. There's a certain faction decide of one, always gonna put himself up, right? But then you ask yourself how comes this side was right about this 2030 50 years after the same idea is rekindling another. You know, we're suffering way on. That idea wins out.

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Then I should have gotten just I could too. So, sister like gossip? Yeah, it depends on what percent of truth getting here, But I used to try to keep it because I remember teaching read history and I'll tell. Allow my students, you know. What do you think of meat mythology?

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You have to remember that though, you know, you hear about Irish stature since Socrates and all these are Plato. I said it was fine, but when you hear the story behind the story, you heard of the name for Harvey. Yeah, I used to telling him Radio Daily, new scholar, his story behind the story that was his name.

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That's his liberty here on. The truth is you hear one story, but if you can get the other side That's why I said the canal zone. You have a lot of people read books and what can Also it was only for oneself. Matter of fact, this man you heard of my Cullerton's David McCullough.

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David, my color. You wanna last books in them between the seas? I was so discuss. When I read it, I said, My collar. You are creating Onley one side of it. These other people are not as stupid because you did have engineers from the West Indies.

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You came here titled or train. A matter of fact, there was one man from Jamaica. His name was John English. You are such a good engineer that you ever heard of Maurice Thatcher. Mhm. You're the first one. The first administrator of the attack in his home.

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Hmm. Mr Thatcher, at such respect for John English that you would tell secretary and time Mr English comes here. Well, guys, or what I'm saying. Just call and say He's saying this is here and he's suspended whatever he's doing. Why? Because man was good and I was doing a tremendous in those days off course yourself.

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Multiple debts. Do what of it, Waas or, you know, new. Whenever you gotta blast this place 50 miles of it from the Atlantic to see on they were prepared this place, you know where to put the different TNT analysts on. Then they blow Whistler wave three different wrestlers, the first one glowing source.

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By the time the service, some guys don't work anything. I didn't hear it. They look, they went over and spoke there. Bones, You were surprised. The nominee, my scripts that they have a lot of people die in human errors. But why? I'm making insane. What I said is that our people, unfortunately in order building can also that's such Lowrie.

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They took advantage of a lot of people. That's why little by little, he shoots up. So where the Westerns are students, many start having some problem in Panama. Um, five hours? A. Yes, I'm here. A lot of people don't know The original treated between the United States and marijuana.

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Well, not basically sang by Dominion. You ever heard that? You hear that? I've never heard about who signed it. Was it the U. S and Spain? But no, that's my name was Munoz Maria. You are the French, remember? It's finally can always being a bit first I for long, delicious as back near the end of the yeah, 19th century.

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But unfortunately, because of malaria and a lot of and then this man went in, the finances are so fans had to give up on a candle in a lot of French man, back in. My fact, there is one particular cemetery I can think of right now because I lived nearly, uh, senator in Carrizo.

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Yeah, I don't know. This didn't do it. I know, but every year, friends you store make shorter salmon spruce up big. The crosses there were leading there were not very big limited with a lot of Frenchman that very big on. Think about that. Yeah, France really last suddenly canceled because of malaria on fill a fever.

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They weren't until you hear, Gorgas does it rather to the name of the man who was put in charge off sanitation. Health in the canal zone. Uh, you were working along with your Findlay? Yes, all of us. Uh, unfortunately, Yeah. He, um a lot Americans. A lot of people white, black or Chinese Chinese were brought from China toe.

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They can, uh, unfortunately the malaria. But I found out what Teddy Roosevelt in the and the world 19th century, Uh, they're citing, Was in Cuba was the Philippines on our places Where Spain and drive on, uh, two hours calling Monroe doctrine way back where the United States was.

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You know, Young started, get now falls for a rich enough to fight off. So James Monroe passed the law. Well, he got them to agree that whatever the stabbing scene, the Americas, dear, but European squid get up to mind. Say no. We're going. Let's go down to So the workers cleared.

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This he shall act. Could do anymore, my doctor. So what has happened? Basically, is that okay? The well, Teddy Roosevelt, back in the ending part off up from the 19th century. That's where Philippines, but separated a number of places in Cuba. But that's where the United States people have freed itself from Spain.

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That's very shortly after always established Guantanamo, the eastern part of tip of Cuba. What we are there, Big Four on a nice thing about it that was well positioned there so that it could really protect the canals are because the Germans, when the World War Two you shall a lot of U boats out there.

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A lot of merchant marine chips. A lot of it stuff, Chicken Joe. But by having want our put good naval base and get that area, that's for you is a good. But the nice thing about that, uh, that's why I said United States can be a place for I mean, it's good in the world, Food Chief.

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We're not level. And that's think of people. Uh huh. You're non white. You have you have no money and what that's not. That's not your nest. It's okay. This is And so, uh, I stayed on that, expanding the liberties and freedoms, all people, cigarettes, all the That's what made this country great attention.

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That's why I don't feel that we should be pretty stunned for a word, you know. But you have to have somebody. It's not. But like when I was teaching, uh, I continue. I had no problem with my kids and bullying because from early, when I just started especially junior.

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You don't get much of that read school, junior high. A tough fella. Just come in. Used to say, feeling your oats notes you want? Yeah, sure that all the guy bigger you cite than beat you or not, I would tell my kids. You see this door?

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There he was on the one Dorothy's guys room. Yeah, well, what about this? Let me tell you something. The only one bull in this classroom and I don't cotton bullied. Pull anyone. I want you to give me the same respect you I saw you expecting Sure newspaper.

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We don't come here. We had you. I missed the songs or sons I couldn't do. So you leave your bulletin on the other side of the door when you walk in you you will not. Everybody else. And I believe that for my hours pretty young, I was, but I started teaching.

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That was 16 60.5 years. Yeah, well, the old teachers were getting old and then health problems and all that, and therefore they pull us, you know, senior years, teacher, school that went I'm gonna give you maybe a month, you know, work in the classroom in the month back in school.

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What a nice thing about it is that from some of the older teachers learn something Certain things would you pass on to The younger generation has a bull in Don't bring it in this classroom. I say if you bully someone, you have to deal with me and I'll never think a tall, lanky and skinny um really has 6 ft two.

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It's my height, you know? What's that weird way? Better know, then, that £135 e could not believe e was kidding, but I had a nap it tight. Thio um Barossa Appetite A matter of fact. The non gentleman. He died. He had become assistant superintendent Mars. You and I were very close friends and other people in different community.

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Whenever having a party, they said two guys, You have to go back to this part. I was one, and I'll be with the next. All right, So what, you're gonna tell you something? I know those two guys. Come here, man. You have no food to sow.

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E could sit down he five or six plates and that's all right. You say I was very active. E used to play tennis a lot with that popular to play. I'm on certain people. I love that because, you know, it's very exhibited. It's one of those games that you have to think before you act.

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Yes. Okay. Is there anything that you you think I left out? Would you like to take a break and keep going? Or do you think that you set all you want to say for the day where I take a shot? Because my daughter is my together?

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Great. Alright, we're back up. Yeah, well, e se for you from now on. Yeah, yeah. E being a Yeah, e history e was old. E would be kind of a tumultuous premier on the U. S. We're pretty close things. Wow. And I was fortunate, but, uh, one as a featured really teaches you number three Method Cheese Coast.

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When they had several treaties department, United States, each one with some improvement, giving up a little more government. And the worst part of it was 92 of six of them. When are like Stephen K for the United States. And he said, toe, of course you was at that time, Democrats.

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Well, I were involved for a long time for them FBI rules. I was naked. Quarter a president. We had, uh, was elected position 14 on last term. He died a month after he was installed. Children took over from there in their for eight to money. So Well, um, being a sitting president three run against Earth.

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Thomas, do it. How much school You are a Republican from New York, the governor of New York. I love that Republican like whole milk family did, for sure. Sure, because, um Truman. But a guy in World War One the our regular captain, when you run against the speaker who were generated among you're not much of a chance.

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So Republicans already in depression, that pages is began on ending with them. Democrats suggest one, but they're not two pictures. Mhm. So, unfortunately thing Try to make, uh, Juve look bad. I think he's the only guy besides Obama. Who is that? Such a shabby treatment? It's Earth President.

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But Children was gonna sharp tongue guy truth. Because, for example, you know something I don't have a damn people Because I tell everybody that a Christian and say the truth. I choose Work hurts with a picture, Daniel. Uh huh. To 200 lawyers from South Missouri. He was first president.

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Integrated Forces. You might have heard of 1945 on your variable dusk. Easy. Um, eight years. Uh, they came up in this time another guys fought against the Nazis and Germans used to say the only people that we can be a black eight years, they never lots of plain, never lots of mission.

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And you know, the see what happens next. They armors and degree to You ever heard of Dorabella? The the middle of the black man? He was a cook on the Arizona think should There was some culture for over. And when the Japanese made that surprise hit because the guy worth, uh, finally again, school's out.

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Japanese planes? Yeah, on that they had I don't remember the number, but my mother never fired. Um, I seen you before. What? A lot of the kids. The Japanese hit the Ghana. I'm doing real side drop. He Russia played to the gun machine gun. I kept finding a way first and all the time on he must have knocked about nine or 10, uh, Japanese planes office.

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Eventually somebody jumping, bombing a door, Mila. And you know, the point is, that was for doesn't 1941 42 mhm on day two and then integrate. There are forces at 1945. Show you in those times. They they, uh You're so there was nothing. Great army. Yes, you were in non white.

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He had a certain letting me a position. Yeah, uh, wash dishes or something that could be regularly. But after two months, our baby and all that and all the different people he said, no, I'm dead, Say, integrated on the show us are unfortunately here in the first fully integrated unit in the entire nation.

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Daniel, the point that I would stay here in 1977 when, uh, the cheaters Pretty effect. But during the full forcing 79 big metric console did not want to see us. Because we have been saying that for things were born mechanism I climbed in. When I set you and it place, you're born on the fly.

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When you become of each yellow choice, you can play clean the country of born on Just like or two. You can clean the country of your parents off the you can. I don't think about a national. Yes, You're like naturalized first one if you Children turtle and yell.

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I was born in whatever not a road before would, uh, employees. And so what? What, 40 years for you Next week I work from I was 16. Married dad of 56. If I am, I wanted to If I were paid e making a time about three or four times in one month, I was.

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But it's about right far because why don't you also state so and lady at looking? E just But she didn't order throughout the earth. I've just spent one for you in a country the United States. I was spent nine months at a time. Yeah, e went thio great in school because you said you have to have one for you one for but time I should know.

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I don't know why I was not a suit. And so it might Princes. They would have so sure there were. It's a United States document showing that I was born in the United States Hospital Very well. Go in on the hospital. I didn't know what John McCain, but I'm saying if I had done that my salary off but quadruple for some time.

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But I would not all that interested in money time when I did get a lot of very important position. For example, when I became we integrated schools come with me and I became the principal or school worry about this top breath. People from the army, colonels and generals.

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Good kids give you high schools on the base commander of such impressive me were very good friends. Many a day required the ball. Why didn't you have met? Come on class in my office. But there you go there. It's secretary thing first class she'd been That's very good on um So I'm saying that, um, I've been means selected us Prince book a lot of beautiful things of that.

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My boss gave and said the director in Washington said. She said one of the breed suppose become train change for two weeks, and they work six weeks moving from base a base, selecting future teachers and school officers for department defensive end in schools who was nice to go.

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The Washington He sees the Pentagon, and that's a very big place. That's a he's a out they can't take down because of five sides each side of my long Yes, That's why when the trade in 21 9 11 that happened, they knew exactly where it is.

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It was hit because show you I was in the office next door. You know that area that was hit. But I got that time I was ableto go through on Washington, gets its top people. Yeah, I had to go through. Uh huh. A big best there.

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No, that's yes. Our biggest space was in San Antonio Brooks Books Base. Uh, seven soldiers, one outside Chicago for me on the fifth. One was so e u s somewhere in California. So you visited all these bases in this one trip? Yeah. I was on t e called Tedy, like, two weeks are trading in Pentagon and then the farmers off.

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So add to shut up. Yeah. Um, for future teachers. Come, um, you don't ask them to questions and they fit. Also finish after making what insanity in tow. It quarters email. Watch NBC E Yeah. Doris, Some tourism, so Oh, Felix. Oh, Phoenix, Uh, a basic. And then the nice thing about it when I got there?

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No. But the secretary of first thing on his head tomorrow make arrangements between 12. 1 o'clock. You mean a very important person? I better say so. We've got he said, Oh, he's only there Size of Major. What do you force? Somebody your personal from problem John McCain.

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McCain. But they will be in tow. Dead Truth's? Yes, certainly. Yeah. Basically, yes. So, Ben service you visits. And how do you spell that last name GMT? Yes. Okay. Gentles. Yeah. Yeah. You were decided meeting with Force s. So it was you can't picked up Thursday who got nuts and Friday again and dinner.

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And they said far evening. You make yourself a very well so I can take a tremendous a big house. He Phoenix. So he showed me Phoenix. You know, they took me to the Grand Canyon. Oh, my very good. I've been fortunate. Yeah. So I was very happy.

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No, You met the right people the right time. Yes. Then y'all the Yeah. I had to admit the chase counselor did not want They cannot zone Government continue educating. People were none white us. But they are cheating is bigger than there. So my best friend live became super assistance with dinner school.

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All the website? Yeah. Two words. Every went to Washington testified before the committee on the Matter careers that Yeah. This year over the year we have an integration. More this. But what was happening, Dad? Governor Toe agreed they were not. I know the non us living his own.

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Unless you are hard core worker. Well, a teacher at the time for a while. Teach your consider part of hard core when in all of the so, um kind of whittle down the community they changed a lot of positions. My wife, Whatever your principal, they have Creature has to live in a community.

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Where you gonna run? So they couldn't change it, so I would care of principle 19, six or seven. I moved on to the I lived in Panama E didn't mind that I don't like to resonated rare. And, uh, fortunately for my time number 67 to it's it's See, I my sprints, brother.

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I'm moving all the different areas, so I'm glad that I was a load of those kind of experiences. Did you know anybody who had to leave the zone after those rules were changed? So e sit. Yes. Last treaty of the United States signed in Panama was 97 7, which took effect October 1st, 1979.

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A lot of people were or so I have to use away pushed up because, you know, you ever heard of Mafia? My first I give you an offer they can't refuse eso that puts it in a position where there's only one way out the way they tell you.

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Doing what? I was fortunate. The good Lord is very, very good to me. So I always I Well, in fact, earlier maybe I was coming this year, so that's problematic. This when the canal zone was turning a lot of property, I was living in one of the best house houses.

01:35:15.350 - 01:36:00.740

Boy, I was kind of essential just because for me that she was back, which it was just a directly for me with that's it was Catholic, But never nights get on the up to today. Well, give me what you got. A nice little bye. What? Why not working it is very super active, you know, Between committee's in the union, e served the governor's advisory reading and sport.

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I love a big crescendo. That's nice for me. I always tried out. Go to my head, E. I always remember. What are you here for? You know, chatted server claim to that. But the nice thing about it is that you get to meet a lot of very important both here in his own.

01:36:25.750 - 01:36:58.290

And he and his own out here in the United States, they are director or department defends dependent schools. We have changed our man. I remember his name. Now remember, you get that little shaky. But this laser neighbors that Stevens she's a wonderful baby. She just came in 15 Bajema Gaza.

01:36:59.230 - 01:37:21.560

Therefore what? On the last 23 days, the director of the region arrangement meter be dropping. Take her where she wanted that was there for me of a put him on hold. So she wanted to see by the city. And e did. She was very last year.

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Unfortunately, this is It's the best that a few years after that she had taken whatever evidence. Yes, he's no longer with us, but the point I'm making here that you're gonna need a lot of the people who came from the States, and I know in that position, you know, calling his do one thing.

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You see, comply. Good. Best you can. Yeah, yes. But I gotta tell you, the whole question of cannot zone changes. Yes. One and every two wells, Panama, that should make a new treaty. Okay, Because in the beginning, after, But I mean so it's just human without realizing.

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Wait a minute. We're giving the short stick. Like I mentioned you. My new signed the first treated for Jeanine system power for the French man. And they were went off, but yeah, on, uh, when those days Parma French. You're very close. But yes, in Chester's For another lesson, ask him to make sure they could get the sail farther.

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Million dollars worth or equipment, old friends, equipment standing there. That's what you're doing. You're not so much interested. Yeah, this new country, you know, trying to get his feet. Good morning is just again before I mean, it does so one point, they almost cancel. Er went by.

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Larry, that man first president. I rushed up here and he said. That's when the real GTO aside, but to see, for example, there is a treaty. Obama. United States have agreed the United States of own the canal zone in perpetuity. But I never got a touch of it on you.

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Can't your tenant, you know. So, uh, that was always a boy contention. Yeah. And you talk all right. E to something in Panama. United States. Then in the result, this the main people work with or where students go one from basic from me. Talk much English.

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So you're not inside until, uh, well, Obama is kind of bacteria free. Yes. Yeah. Three him box. You still by doing you find it? Yeah. Can Aiso but basic at it. The canal zone and Pamela I two different countries. But it worked out good in the long run.

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And please, there was a time where we non U. S citizens You didn't belong the bottom. I didn't. Reluctant. So United States, you know. So it's just dangling in some place. But I'm glad after things worked out pretty well. Way did all right. Eso if we didn't take to the money e, I don't think I don't like find out what ever consider that.

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But if they'd ever consider the money making some cases, United States, uh, decided who's who and the major anything attractive that cannot lose one gentleman when they finally recognizing excusing, they gave him prevent Thio so that no re culture it is. Sorry, let's just, for example, you work from 19 100 to 2000 spent 10 years e se was being paid a on a separate Uh, I just give 50 cents.

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No, they sit by time to discord. It's going a in 19. It's a 975 Then decide Thio pay. They pay out money back and they've done that. Oh wow, you're not in every case in most cases, e you fought cases you wanted to Washington The honor that, but I'm sure it takes a lot of resource is to make that case.

01:42:56.500 - 01:43:28.390

I wanna have, uh, people in the right places decided That's prepare. That's good to hear. I'd be interested to look into that and learn more about that, So I've never heard that before. That case is Nick. Especially case that came to mind when you talk about foreign are missing, missing was born in a child's life.

01:43:29.300 - 01:43:54.340

Yeah, well, And, uh, but his mother with America. And she was really from America? Not so, but they're quick down fat, you know, until she died. Something with papers and they run into You got a good lawyer that fought it for several years. You find it?

01:43:55.600 - 01:44:21.470

So yes, right there, Booth. Their mother was American from American, That's all. So we can t e so they've got to pay. Well, then church Henry, the younger brother with quite a nauseous. And your Children grew up in the canal zone, right? How many Children do you have?

01:44:21.480 - 01:44:53.510

32 daughters. Okay? Yeah, but do they identify as American or Panamanian, or is it more complicated? Way Didn't have a trust. America that issue there documents. So you're part of me is eventually maybe a guy told refused, actually be w So where is that attack my mother was born upon?

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But her parents were on your making. Mhm. I never knew them because over my father were in Panama. Uh, when the calzone didn't exist. I think I can't work with the French French. Mhm. But when that failed, they went back home. But you're really on the matter.

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Mhm until she stayed in about I don't know what happened to her first husband. Yeah, but see them? My Medford. She had her first has been a two kids. My older sister, My father. Two beautiful people on, uh, then my dad she had five kids with That's 79 but I have the Medicaid number four off seven and then for other things.

01:46:06.680 - 01:46:37.130

All my brothers. Four brothers going on My eldest sister. She's gone. So I told her I left a little person. My youngest sister still live in a she a second last 26 So I didn't say that. Yes. We're very happy that we're nice of the family.

01:46:38.520 - 01:47:20.540

My dad was a very talented man. Not sure you know. You know, there's or your little boy E Think up the teenager. You couldn't read anything by short pants eyes. That little boy, you were short pants. I went out of the sixth grade, uh, laboratory. I went on one day I said, my father Oh, he made all the Children for all of us if I were, But it's a bad body.

01:47:20.550 - 01:47:42.990

Then, for the commentary pants there, these short pants with the waistband. E call box of socks. Uh, I was there. Teacher called me to read it. I was sending They're really on that. My desk usedto first year in a row. Now they're reading more into reading.

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And next thing you know, uh, the guy pulled one of the guys. Two guys put my pants down. Well, very biased, because the good thing about it those days, uh, you know, mothers are you gotta wear shorts. If I were a shorts according to make way a comedian from Jamaica Mysteries She said they were shown on my deformity.

01:48:14.970 - 01:48:48.360

Yeah, by the I went on, I told my dad I don't want more short best and show. Okay, You got busy e when they come to say, But you e mail right there used to make a so two of us because you're right. That time the You are an excellent baker Jealous e baking.

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But the part that I'm sorry I couldn't take and I refuse Waas making candy. Oh, this day Every time I think about that, you can. He made candy. You can kind. You see the You know what a bad food is? A great friend Rib? Oh, no, I've never heard of is a wrong boy like a kind of Yeah.

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What is the truth? But when the tree Russia the blossom that is long finger like people eat inches long on top of it as I covered like velvet. She you then yellow or really shit. I don't know how he did, but you would take that stuff and make cambiar man.

01:49:53.110 - 01:50:15.010

I have from my spirit, never teach anything like that. But he would often said going up. So when they come, you money. I didn't want my brother. You need to do with me. So let me show you My brother Manny He could do it because he couldn't stand the heat.

01:50:15.020 - 01:50:39.620

But I couldn't stand e o moving the stick. 3257 e couldn't take it. What is great? Yes. Oh, yes. Well, Sarah, I guess at another time you have to pick up from the That sounds like a good plan. I know we have a lot more to talk about.

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Oh, you're talking about. Yeah, exactly. Well, this concludes this first part of the interview with Mr Dubois. Andrew, Once again, this is Sarah Blanck with Samuel Procter Oral History Program.