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Hello, I'm Mike Cannon, and this is conversation. Welcome to the 11th season of our conversations from the campus of the University of Florida over the Monday nights to come, and we are repeated several times during the week as well. We'll be talking with faculty members of our university, with staff members of the university and with interesting and distinguished visitors to our university.

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In the weeks upcoming, we'll be talking with a Nobel Prize winning geneticists with two faculty members who have recently returned from a visit to the Soviet Union with a professor of English who has written an important new book on the art of movie making in America and many others.

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Besides, it's been a tradition on this program to begin the new television series at Channel five on conversation with an interview with the head football coach of the University of Florida. And I'm pleased to say that we continue that tradition tonight. My guest on this conversation is a man who is unbeaten and untied as head football coach of the Fighting Gators, a man who led the Fighting Gators to their first ever Southeastern Conference championship.

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Somewhat disputed now, but not at the time a man who was called by his college coach, Joe Paterno at Penn State, the smartest football player he has been around in 35 years. A man called by Sports Illustrated, Mr Goodwrench. My guest will be Galen Hall when we return.

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In a moment. Yeah, thanks. Conversation from the University of Florida, a discussion of social, political, scientific and religious issues of the day. Your host is Michael Vegan in professor of history and ethics and associate dean of the College of Liberal Arts and Sciences at the University of Florida.

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Get that Galen Hall. Welcome to conversation, Mike. Thank you very much. I just heard it. This is your 11th season, hopefully, 11 years from now that I'll still be sitting here. Let's do it again 11 years from now, I would hope so. Galen. Everybody says You're very relaxed type of person, and that shows up in the way you run your football team.

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The the players are relaxed and they play football for fun. Is there some truth to that? Well, I think everyone has to be their own person. I I can't change my personality or something I've lived with for 45 years now and try to be someone I'm not.

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I try not to let things bother me. I try to be relaxed and in control of things. I I think football football is a tough game, anyway. I mean, it's a man in game. Our players are required to go into practice field and have physical contact, and it's very time consuming and it's hard work.

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But so I think there has to be some fun in it. Uh, there has to be some rewards for working very hard. And if you're if you can relax and maybe laugh at yourself or have a have a good time, then I'm I'm not sure it's worth it.

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Well, a lot of people credit you with instilling that relaxed atmosphere in the team last year, and many have said that was one of the principal ingredients to the Gators success in 1984. Well, I I thank the people that say that I think hopefully that had something to do with it.

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I think our 1984 football team was extremely talented football team. It really was and I really think at the end of the year we were the best team nation. But it was very talented, and it was just a matter of a everything coming together. And, uh, everything worked out all right.

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You speak of the difficulties that the players have to undergo on the playing field, all the physical drills and contact, which takes a lot out of the body. At the same time, they have a mental challenge not only playing the game but meeting their classroom responsibilities.

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And I wonder if we could talk just a moment about the student in the student athlete equation and what you do to help the players succeed in the classroom. Well, I I think, uh, I just heard, uh, Dr Farris, you say the other night to the freshman.

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I think the GPA is 34 here in Florida and the the average S A T is 10 90 that is very, very high. Florida is a great academic institution, and our players that come in here, we have got to do everything we can to help them along.

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We will try to recruit the good student athlete. Uh, we don't want to bring an athlete into an unfair environment where he can survive So we we try to recruit the best student athlete possible. We have study halls, we have tutors. We have the office student life.

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Who, uh, that office is there to help the student with not only his academics, but also his social development on campus. Uh, just any any need he needs a outside of the athletic, uh, part of of the of the program. I think that are. Athletic department does more, and I've been a couple institutions.

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Uh, we try to do more than then a lot of other institutions do for their players. Let's talk about football and begin with a quotation I saw from an interview conducted with you two or three weeks ago, in which you said there are three phases to the game of football offense, defense and the kicking game.

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And of the three, the kicking game is the most important. Why is that? Well, the kicking game? Any mistakes in the kicking game are so obvious. A. A blocked punt, fumble, punt and kickoff return a fumble kick off. You get the football about 13 times a game and any that's the average.

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The average time you had the football 13 times and every any mistake. And the kicking game takes one away from you and gives the opposition the at that time, uh, 14 to 12 per se. But it is not only a a time, a loss of possession, but also it's more like a 50 yard pass.

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I mean, they fumble punt and and we recover it. That's just like us sitting a 50 yard pass on someone. So the kicking game again 13 times a game, you get down and the object of of offensive football is to score points. You get down and you don't score touchdown, but you kick an extra point that still points on the board.

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So it's just so obvious. There's 13 possessions you have that you have got to have a very sound kicking game, and I feel we will have a sound kicking game. It's the job of the offense to score points, and sometimes a team will change its offensive formation, as Oklahoma did this year, going to the wishbone as Auburn did, going from the wishbone to the eye.

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Why does the team change its formation? Uh, my guess is it does so to accommodate the offense to the skills available? Uh, am I partially right? That's right. You have got to adapt your offense to your personnel. Uh, Auburn has a great running back and Bo Jackson and, uh, Fulwood behind them.

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They have They have a couple great running backs, and, uh, I'm sure they look at it and, uh, see that Bo Jackson is not touching the football enough. And I think it happened last year in the Alabama game where they got on the right hash mark and they couldn't get both the football they gave to forward where if they're in the eye, they could get both the ball either direction.

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Uh, I think that's one of the problems against the wishbone. But I, uh I think you have got to adapt your offense to to your personnel Oklahoma or to what your coaches understand. Oklahoma is going back to the wishbone because Barry Switzer knows the wishbone, and I think that is what he feels most comfortable with.

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And since he's the head coach, I guess you can say what he wants to. And but I I think the main reason for your offensive changes is for personnel. What offensive formation will you use this year, and for what reason? We will use the same as we did last year.

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We will be the I formation or the pro formation we were. A lot of We will use a lot of different formations, probably more than we did last year. We used a lot of formations last year, but I feel our quarterback will be better able to handle handle all the formations this year.

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Uh, we won't change our philosophy to all. We might have to do a little bit of Kerwin Bell and on the move a little bit more. That might be the only change you'll see in our offense. Is that because of the offensive line and, uh, the fact that it is not quite as strong as the Great Wall of Florida as it was called last year?

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That's right. We, uh, we had a great offensive line last year. I think we'll have a good offensive line this year. I think the longer we play, the better we'll get. I think we are so young and inexperienced that we won't play real good the first game and then we'll play better the second better.

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The third and by mid season, I think we'll have a respectable offensive line. But I think we have got to keep current on the move. We can't let anyone, uh, zero in on Kerwin. I mean, last year we were good enough. We could say Kerwin is going to be back there nine yards deep and try to get to them.

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I mean, now, this year, we might have to have them at five yards deep, sprinting out, play action passes, bootlegs and things like this. I think we we've got to try to disguise where Kerwin is going to be this year. You have two great running backs in Neil Anderson and John L.

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Williams about as good a tandem as can be found in the country. That is very true. I've been around some great backs at Oklahoma. Joe Washington. Billy Sims, Uh, Marcus Dupri when he was there, for what little time he did stay. Uh, these new Anderson Jonah Williams are in that same class.

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I mean, you when you when? When they get into that category, I don't I don't know whether you can say 11 is better than the other. They're all in that class. I feel that they are the two of the top running backs. The nation. I read an article the other day where I think the pros have knee overrated, fourth in the nation at running back and John L.

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First at fullback. So I think they're very talented. Hopefully, we, uh, they stay healthy. That will be a key to our success this season. Uh, we will not go the 50 50 rotation that Neil Andersson Lorenzo Hampton had last year. Neil, Neil and John L. Will probably play about 75% of the time and rest them 25%.

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I think there they are, that good players they have. They've got to be rested. But they've got to stand involved. Who will play behind them right now? Behind Neil is James Massey. James has injured a risk this this fall. Whether he's ready for Miami, I don't know.

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And this seems strange. A freshman by the name of Wayne Williams in Titusville has had a very good preseason. He looks like he might be able to come up and help us. A tailback behind John L. Williams. There are two players Reggie Core Lou, who has hurt now with a hamstring.

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Uh, and Anthony Williams are the two players behind him. I think they're both capable players to go in and go in and help John L. I was surprised to hear that last year. John L. Williams was the leading pass receiver on the team. Uh, what that is, I think that we tried to take advantage of the coverages we were getting.

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They were trying to play us a lot of man demand coverages and which means linebackers are on on our backs. And, uh, we use a lot of play action to freeze the linebackers and try to slip. John L. Uh, I would hope that we can still continue to do that this year.

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I look for our backs to catch more passes this year, and they did last year. Let's talk about the defense. The defensive line. You return a lot of starters there, do you not? We were very solid on our defense. In fact, that has to be the strength of this football team.

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I think our players understand this, uh, that they have got to help the offense early. Our defensive players up front, I think Alonso mitts and Keith Williams are two very fine down people. They're down down tackles. I think they're very good players inside linebackers. We have four players in there that I think are are quality players.

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Scott Armstrong, Arthur White, Leon Pennington and Gerald Dickens are are very good players inside. Outside. I think we're well, I know we have probably outstanding player at his position in college football. And Alonzo Johnson, who will be the all time sack leader breaking Wilbur Marshall's record.

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Maybe in the Miami game, if I understand right, Alonzo Johnson outside Pat Miller and Ronnie Mode and they give us very good strength, Uh, at those at that position, UH, probably the problem we have on defense or nose guard up front. Henry Brown and Jeff Roth are back.

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I mean, they haven't played. I think the thing we have there, we have two freshman redshirt freshman Henry Brown and Jeff Roth, and any time you get someone young that has some pretty good players around him, I think it excites them. And I think they'll go about 110%.

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And, uh, you know, and I think that they'll play very good up front That was Tim Newton's position last year. Tim Newtons, Ricky Williams Both graduated in the defensive secondary of cornerbacks and strong safety. Don't you have a few weaknesses there? Ricky Mulberry has been hurt.

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Is he going to be able to play this Saturday? Hopefully, Ricky will be there. He's back at practice. Ricky Mulberry this spring was playing very, very well at corner. And what if he would have not? He got hurt the third week of spring. If Ricky hadn't been hurt, we could have probably moved Jarvis Williams too strong safety, Which is a which Jarvis understands this.

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I think when Jarvis goes the pros, he's going to be a strong safety and we would like to move them in there. But we can't. He's a corner. He's probably the most dependable person. Are secondary. Jarvis Williams and Curtis Stacy, Our our corners. Pretty good players.

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We lost Ricky Eastman from last year, who I guess is still hanging on with Dallas Cowboys. Hopefully, he can make it. Uh, Roger Civil. We lost its strong safety. Rikki Knight is there. I think Ricky will play pretty well. Adrien White in Vernell Brown are at our safeties.

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Vernell Brown will play against Miami. So I think we have some players there that are pretty sound. Have played a little bit. Uh, we we've got to stay healthy. And Ricky Mulberry. Hopefully, he's back from Miami. Let's talk about the kicking game in rate. Creswell. You have probably the premier punter in the United States, and I understand there's still a contest to see who's going to be your placekicker.

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Can you give us any clues there? Well, I I think that rate Creswell is, uh, is the top hunter nation. I feel very comfortable with Ray and, uh, Mike, maybe, maybe by the time this is their aired on Monday, we'll have an answer. Right now, we don't have an answer.

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It's a I told a group in Jacksonville last night. At the last spring, I said it was between Jeff Dawson, Ron Finger. Then I said in the early fall between Jeff Dawson, run Finger and Chuck Nero. Now I'm saying it's between Jeff Dawson, Ron Finger, Chuck Nero and John David Francis, a freshman from Start.

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We just don't know they've all kicked about the same. I I feel comfortable with whichever one we pick. We'll do it. Uh, it's just a shame. They're all pretty good kickers there. They you expect someone to come to the front. And if they're everyone's kicking good that day, it seems all kick good.

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If one of us kicking back to all kicked bad, so well, we we haven't decided one of that for some, uh, kicked better than Bobby Raymond and the pre season last year. And then Raymond went on to be the one you selected and led the conference in scoring.

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I think if if it's right, uh, two years ago, when they were deciding on a kicker, it was between Bobby Raymond, Jeff Dawson, and supposedly or they were equal. They were, or one had a slight edge, but, uh, Jeff Dawson hurt his hamstring. Uh uh, and and they selected Bobby Raymond.

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He became the great kicker that he is. Uh, I just I don't know whether he's kicking that good. From what I hear, I wasn't here, so I don't know, uh, but no one has jumped to the lead, and I wish someone would hurry up and get the lead so it takes some pressure off.

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Can you keep all four of those you named on the team? Yes. I mean, they're all walk on. They're not accountable scholarships, which were on the 85 limit. Now we can keep them all in a team. The problem is, I don't know whether we can keep all them happy because we can't travel all of them.

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Hopefully, they would all stay out because you never know what's gonna happen. But, uh, they're all quality young men, and I'm just happy there there and and hopefully, when this is shown, will know who it is. Galen the whole The team, taken as a whole, is faster and stronger and bigger than any team in the history of Florida football.

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Judging from height and weight and leg press and bench press and vertical jump in 40 yard dash, how do you account for this? Is this something that's unique to Florida, or do we see this same pattern in college football generally across the country? I think you're seeing it in college football.

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I think pro football, for some reason or other sets of trend in college football, it has in the passing game, the more wide open passing game. Everyone, everyone sees it on Sunday and gets excited and the fans and everything. So they want to see your colleges throw the ball more, and I think it is.

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And and the rule changes the use of hands on offense. I think it allows you to be able to throw the football a little easier. Uh, as an offensive coach, I wish you'd start bringing the hash marks in, like the pros doing that give our offensive a little more advantage.

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But But I think the pros, uh, how many years ago? 15, 20 years ago. They started into the weight lifting the, uh, very rigorous, rigorous conditioning things. And I think that has been passed down to the to the colleges. And I think every school, every major college school now probably has a strength coach or a person in charge of their weight program.

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I think Richard Tootin is is the finest one in the nation, and I think, uh, it's a tribute to him for those facts that we are bigger, faster and stronger now if he can make them more experienced in in the plane, I think would be, you know, would be a pretty good football team.

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But Rich student does a great job with Let's Talk about next Saturday's game against the Miami Hurricanes. You go up against very classy program and one that has been highly successful over the last three or four years with two great running backs in Highsmith and Bratton with, apparently a very fine though untested quarterback in Vinny Testaverde.

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UH, excellent coach, uh, program with a winning momentum. What kind of a game do you see? Well, I I look at Miami about the same situation we're in. I think their strength lies in defense. I think they have seven starters back on their defensive unit, I think defensively, Coach Johnson last year did not coach his style of defense.

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I think he came in there in the spring or after spring practice and had to go with the staff that was there, which I think is a very good staff. But he went whether he did not put his defensive philosophy into Miami's defense with some coaches leaving going to Louisville this past season, he's hired his own people.

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He brought Paul Jet in from Oklahoma State, uh, two coaches defense who was under him at Oklahoma statement. Coach Johnson was there, So and I and I'm familiar with Oklahoma State defense because of playing him when I was at Oklahoma all those years, I think there will be a very aggressive, a very stunning defense.

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They don't like to sit still. They like to be on the move. They blitz their secondary. I look for them to be a very aggressive defensive football team, which hopefully we are, So I, I think, will be fairly similar there. Offensively, I think they're going through the same problems we are.

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They lost their offensive line four or five stars as we did. They have the two fine running backs that we do. They have. I think Kerwin Bell and Vinny Testaverde are probably very similar quarterbacks. I talked to Coach Johnson before the game last year in Tampa, and Jim and I coached together four years in Oklahoma and I asked him about, uh, about Cozaar.

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I hadn't seen him before and I've heard so much about him and he said, Well, he said Cozaar is our quarterback, but, uh, test poverty. It's not that far behind on this before the season last year. Now Vinnie is taking all the snaps in the spring.

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He's taking all the snaps in in the fall. Uh, I expected him to be a very capable quarterback, so I I I don't, uh I think the teams are very similar. I think it would be a tight football game. It'll be a tough physical football game, and and I guess the old cliche is the one that makes the least amount mistakes is gonna win.

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But, uh, I I look forward to be that type of football game. Rutgers will be the first home game for Florida. What kind of team might we expect to see on that day? I think Rutgers is going to surprise the fans. I don't They're not gonna surprise the football team, the coaches, because we know what type of program they have.

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Uh, Dick Anderson, who I played with it at Penn State is their coaches. In his, uh, he was there, just this, uh, I mean, this last year he went to a seven and 14 season. Uh, I think this thing about Rutgers they have played, they played Tennessee.

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I was leaving Birmingham and talking to Johnny Majors, and we were just talking to We had to play and he said, Uh, I said, we have Rutgers and I think they planned this year, too. He said, Yeah, they came to Knoxville and we beat the heck out them six nothing, uh, two years ago and he said, Then we went up and really put it on him.

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13 to 7 up, up in the middle land. So they're the type of football team that I don't think they're gonna be in awe of coming to Florida field or playing the Florida Gators because they've played these football teams. They played Alabama, They've played Tennessee. They play Penn State every year.

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They've played good football teams, and I think I think they're very sound football team. They beat Syracuse last year, 19 to nothing, and we beat Syracuse 16 and we had a very fine football team. I think they're very cable football team. I think they'll be sound well coached and they're going to be a lot better football team and our fans are going to give him credit.

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For Auburn has been placed alongside Florida is the class of the SEC this year and perhaps, uh, winner of the national championship. You've seen their films, you've gone over their people, their personnel. What kind of a team do you expect to see in them when you play them?

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This time at Auburn? I think Auburn probably should be rated the number one in our league, just from who they have returned. They lost one starter off their offensive unit last year, which was their split receiver. And since they didn't throw it and he wasn't even there leading pass receiver, uh, I think that offensive line and Bo Jackson being in the backfield has to make them a very, very solid offensive football team.

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Uh, defensive. They have a lot of good players back. Uh, I just feel that they probably, uh, might be the class of the league, and hopefully we go up there, We'll play a good game, and I don't think they'll take us for easy, you know? I mean, they'll be ready to play where we're ready to play.

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I look forward to be a very good football game. Later this evening, we'll see Georgia and it's game against. Alabama will know a lot more about Vince Dooley's team after this evening, but as a preview, what kind of a team do you think he has? And is he really weeping with good reason about his quarterback troubles?

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Well, I I don't feel sorry for anyone has quarterback troubles unless there are. So we had. We went through it last year and came out in pretty good shape. I think a program like this, he's gonna come up with a quarterback. He has so many players there.

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He's gonna come up with a very good football team because I think the thing that Georgia does, Georgia will always play good defense, and any team that plays good defense will be in the football game. No matter what happens. I I I don't I don't feel sorry for Georgia.

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I've only been here 18 months. I don't feel sorry for Georgia any. So I I learned pretty fast. But I think this game tonight, I hear Alabama supposed to have a good football team. I don't I don't know anything about Alabama since we haven't played him.

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We get him next year. But I I don't know. I look forward to be a very good football game and uh, I don't think any any team will score a lot of points and f s U F s. You lost running backs Greg Allen and Roosevelt Snipes very recently, but they have a very exciting recruit in Sammy Smith.

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Somebody that you went after yourself. We We tried very hard to get Sammy Smith, for whatever reasons. He went to Florida State. He went to Florida State and he's an outstanding football player. Uh, they opened against Well, right now, they will have opened against Tulane. So what happens?

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We'll find out, Uh, Sammy Smith. I don't think they'll start him. I think he'll get in the game early, and I feel he's a quality player, though he really is looking down the line of the 1985 season. Obviously, the Florida football team is going to acquit itself.

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Well, we'll have a great number of successes. What is the thing that worries you most about the schedule and about the team? Well, I think the difficult, difficult, cult parts of our schedule, I think we'll be ready to play Miami and Rutgers. I think we'll be ready to play them then the good thing we have the open date.

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We have a very tough back to back road games against Mississippi State and L s u uh, then the road game to Auburn. Uh, and Auburn and Georgia are back to back again, back to Baggy. I think it's the toughest schedule that anyone has in the nation.

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I really do. I just That's a very demanding schedule. I think for us to be successful, we're going to have to eliminate mistakes on offense. Uh, we can't beat ourselves and we're gonna have to stay injury free. I think the 22 we're gonna put on the field is going to be as good as the other People's 22 or or comparable, uh, I think we'll be in the games.

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And if we can stay injury free, you know, I think we'll have a good year. And the last word about fans. Uh, what's fan support like in Florida? Compared with your experiences at Oklahoma? Do we compare? Well, the Florida fans don't have to take a back seat to anyone.

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I think, uh, I was amazed, and I've told this story. But last year at Tampa, we went up to the sky was you couldn't even here. I couldn't even talk to Kerwin on the field pregame because the crowd was so, uh, so noisy. And we went to the press box, and it was so noisy up there that I had to talk to one.

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I turned to one of the coaches, and I said, Are the fans like this every game? And they said, No. They're louder at Florida State, Auburn, Georgia. You know, it's just It just amazed me that there could be any Lot of I think the fans support here is is as good as it is anywhere in the nation.

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I really I really believe that. And I take my hat off to him. Well, Galen on that note, uh, lots of success to you personally to your other coaches and the players in the 1985 season. Particularly. Good luck to you this Saturday at Miami against the Hurricanes.

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Appreciate very much your helping get my season off to a start. And remember that date 11 years from now we'll do it again. We'll be here. That's right. Thanks very much. Thank you. And I appreciate it. Mhm. Think Yeah. What? Yeah, Yeah. Yourself. Mm hmm. Coming down