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This is Amanda Knoll with the Samuel Proctor Oil History program. It's July 1st, and I'm here with knowing Thomas. All right, Mr Thomas, thank you so much for being here with me today. Really looking forward to hearing some of your stories with us. Um, before we discuss necessarily your Panama experience, maybe you can talk about your family and how you guys got down to Panama and your early childhood scene.

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One of the first things is I don't consider I have a Panama E canals on, uh, experience. Okay. My father went down in 19 7. One of the Teddy Roosevelt Constructors. Hey, was a contract construction carpenter expert and wouldn't concrete. He ended up building the houses that they all lived in.

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Then he ended up spending four years moving concrete, concrete forms around for the got two blocks. Okay, I'm one of those that have a problem going through immigration. My American passport says birth place go on. Republic of Panama. Actually, I was born in the Canal Zone hospital who happened to be located along the Cristobal beach, which happened to be in the Republic of Panama.

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But as far as I'm concerned, there was a Canal Zone piece of property. E. My mother with a telephone operator came down in 1914. The Met in the zone married, raised a family. And my dad retired in 1945 at the end of the second war. I consider the Canal Zone living.

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There's a great place as a young person to be raised. Everything we needed was there. You can say it was provided by the government, but no, it was ours. Way there. My parents named sure that I never forgot that I was an American citizen. Every American holiday, our community and all the parents put on big events.

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Seven o'clock a boy. Scott I raised the flag at this fire station six o'clock where he Lord, the flood Memorial Day. We marched in the parade out to the cemetery way. Knew all of the American March music on way later learned all of the Panamanian dance music.

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American marches. Panamanian desks kind of shut the tone for a way of life. Yeah, I living ghetto. That 10 was a small American community within walking distance of the tattooed blocks. About 170 families Way had our own elementary school own dispensary. You have even had our own dentist way had a clubhouse which had bowling alleys movies here.

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Newsstand Way had a place yet place Head would be today what you would call it Jim. On the whole, physical activities were centered around the place, and you got to remember Way had two seasons in the canal Zone. Dry season for six months. Rainy season for six months, dry season.

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At the end of the season, the ground was so dry the ground on your lawn crack you could actually stick your hand down in the crack. Uh, but the moment that the rainy season kicked in, nothing but green grass going right. Today the gymnasium was headed, staffed by a professional physical education teacher.

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He was also, though he didn't have the title. He was a gentleman who was responsible for a certain we have functions. So if you broke your arm climate, a tree and it came time to get to cast off, all of a sudden the physical education teacher at the gym would, uh, grab you begin to give you certain exercises for getting your muscles back in tough.

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Wow, I right, it was born with a club foot. The club foot could not be treated in the Canal zone. So every four months my mother would put me on the ship with her way, would travel up to New York. She would check me into a Children's hospital.

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A week later, come back and pick me up and take me back to the zone. E. Have a new brace or new cast on my foot. This went on for several years until all of a sudden my my legs stopped going. So then we kicked in the local rehab and then song.

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It was not a formal physical center like you have today in the American, but a lot of it dependent upon the who knew who, what, who could tell the right story. All of the parents, basically, I could give you things should work on things that didn't work.

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E, for one, uh, learn to pick up marbles with my toe in order to get muscle tone back into my foot. Uh, marbles were to reason to pick up, so they then substituted heavy metal roller bearings. When I began to debt my mother's floor, dropping these balls where they weren't supposed to be dropped.

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They actually went and got a round surface floor surface for me. Toe stand on. Well, I picked up the metal balls on They then moved on Thio. The next exercise was strengthen. My leg, they decided, was tap dancer on, uh, are my teacher. It was a non army wife who was a former showgirl from Broadway on.

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She had a tap dancing class with about 10 girls on me because she wanted to make sure that the girls that knew all the routines we have went out and recruited another boy, Tommy Neutral. So Tommy and I were the two male tap dances. All of a sudden, I began to lose them arguments with my period group about who were fluffy dresses of who didn't.

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So they decided toe expand my rehab by teaching me boxing. So for several years, I was training to be an amateur boxer. We were traveled from town to town, teach town, competing to the other in boxing matches. So I'm a trained killer. E can't while you with my right hand up to it.

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You with my tap. So but, uh, I'm glad that the people down there all gathered around and my parents always had plenty of things for me to try to get better. Oh, yeah. Look, gym instructor, we're sure but a grade school during recess, and he basically go my class by class by class, and he would say somebody living somebody, Uh, winching.

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When he threw the ball on, he would merely step in and do the rehab consultation with that individual student way. Always thought that he was down to teach us how to play volleyball better or dodgeball better, or something like he did. But he also made sure that the person was the limp was attended to so And what was his name?

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The one I remember most was a gentleman. Never. Woody, Uh, everybody knows, would. He was a coach. Little wing basketball, volleyball. He was the only coach we had that every went to school. High school? Yeah, I am. I was really grateful for the Canal Zone column that they basically set up.

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The boys got program and the girls got pro program as American programs so that any ranks that we aren't if our parents left his own went back to the States, we could transfer back to whatever girls got boys got true way could fit into, not lose our ranch.

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So I, uh I'm an Eagle Scout. A lot of memories about what I had to do that. All right. On in 19 forties at the time. Uh, some of the boys Scott requirements have had to do with seasons like camping. Camping with a required merit badge should be an eagle.

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One of the requirements was that I would display ability to camp out in the wintertime, find him or doesn't have winter time. Eso they by coordinating with the American program in the States, you was agreed that raining schism would qualify as the winter camps on. If you could go camping in the rain in my town had 180 inches of around every year.

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If you could go camping and survive, then you get a America. So I mean, I became an eagle on, uh, our troop was considered to be jungle rated. Uh, jungle raider within our commuters meant that, uh, we could go camping in the jungle without adult way.

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Had to tell the adults the parents where we were going and when we would be back on. They knew basically where we were around the outskirts of town. Uh, jungle was just like over the curb of the last house on jungle. Started on on, we would go camping and sometimes they beat a weekend during the summer.

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It might be several weeks at a time. Parents that they needed us would drive on the road closest to where they knew the camps were Just lean on the horn, someone to come wandering out, Find out which boy was in trouble on then that boy would be sent home tow whatever the parent needed to do with but several summers.

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I spent the whole summer and our Boy Scout camp along the lake because all of our cooking came home to get a close forced. Of course, Uh, when you run out of cooking oil, you went and got more oil. You run out of potatoes and went and got more potatoes.

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But as long as you could get firewood, you stayed out there. You cooked way, didn't do much fishing way, Didn't do any hunting, fishing and hunting on our trip was not one of the approved events because they just didn't want the you know what guns in the camp on fishing was a too much of an individual event rather than swimming with the whole group with.

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So, uh, but we would go out there and, uh, spend the whole summer waving in our parents across the way they needed us. They could come and get it. My grandson is also an eagle on. When he was in his scouting troop a few years ago, he told his fellow scouts that his granddad was a jungle camper.

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So they invited me to bring my scouting equipment. Talk to his truth. E. So I had my mayor bag sash and I had my uniforms share all my medals and badges and put him on a hanger and off we went to the boy. Scott rating got out of the car, was coming in the front door of the the church where the meeting was.

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All of a sudden, the pastor come running out, waving his hands, all excited, knocked out to get him in. No, no, no, no. I was loaded down with knives. E had my machete on my follow on attacks on. I had a hunting knife in a parking life on He told me that knives weren't weren't allowed in the church.

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Okay? Okay. When the Boy Scout troop heard that I had all my knives meeting was a German. And if they all came out to the parking lot for me to go through, all the various pieces of a criminal had e didn't think about it. A couple of weeks later, I was invited.

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Thio come to his high school like a presentation of scouting in the tropics. But I have some Walton right through the front door and security office about that loss is a lot of jar because yeah, I have a machete Bulow hunting knife. Been by properly escorted into the principal's big discussion as what they're gonna do with my equipment.

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What fascinated scouts. They all knew these knives were usually Yeah, it fascinated them. That a scout that I could carry this around as personal equipment scouting program. Today, many of them when they take a trip, all of the knives and access and whatnot are under the care of the scoutmaster.

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Then well, loan him out. The one or two of the Scots who are qualified to use that tool there has to be checked back to him the night before they all go to bed and Thio just being told that didn't information. That was my equipment. I used it and I went into the jungle.

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And and all of my years while we were all trained in first aid life there, we never had anything more than maybe it's, um, skin knees from falling on the trail way. Might have had a nick finger where we're slicing up would get shavings for a fire way.

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Never cut our foot. Never cut our hands off. Never e just that it was Does it ought to be on Scott and juggle rated. You have to be able t use this Sinus. But I, um I just remember that in in our town you're right. We have Thio understand that the American government, when they built the Panama Canal automobiles were a fad.

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It's never going to replace the bucket. So wherever they had a work location within walking distance, they had a living facility. My town had homes for about 100 travelers. Everybody could walk to work today if you look at a map of the canal zone and period that I grew up in.

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If you look hard, you'll say that all of the towns are on the same side of the canal, except for a few 1000 towns of the very end of the canal. But end of the canal. There's a couple of towns on the other side on those towns were connected by a ferryboat, but all the other towns through the isthmus on the railroad track railroad couldn't cross the canal, so all the travel between towns had to be by rail on the Pacific side as we refer to the other side, those towns were connected with one road, Theo towns on the Atlantic Side.

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Gatins had a seven mile road through the jungle to Cristobal Colon, but there was no road to go to gamble or so. If you wanted to go to gamble, you had to ride the train or you had to get a hitch. A ride in a lunch.

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These towns all existed, and they had a stable. Every town had a stable because managers, when they got promoted or water the horse, they used a horse to get around to their work location. On the evening they didn't have a barn behind the house. They had town stable that take it there.

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They had people that would feed them and check their hooks and whatnot. But those stables have long disappeared because the horses have gone. But the facilities were still there, except there now years by the government. Honora, Beals and trucks. That's where the mechanics were. Well, but if you have somebody in our town, what's the building over the hill?

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Down the bottom? They'll tell you that's the corral, because that's the name that's always been. So every town had a Karol no horses way. We grew up. Thinking of the jungle is our play yards was a friend way did things that even today are my wives.

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Parents has shot every way as kids from time to time find a jungle. I won't use the word critter. They were Adams in the living quarters. There could be a snake in the clothes line, so there could be a monkey back there with the bananas Way had, but we're his Children were basically trying.

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Thio, get the animal back into the jungle. Uh, if you thought you could do it, you did it yourself. If you thought it might be problem. You would get the town police psychic to come and do what I help you. Story. It's been reported that world occasions that one of the other towns because I wasn't involved like Do is tell you what I was told.

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Some of my peer group found a big spoken stressed about 12 ft in the town, so they decided that you gotta take the snake back to the jungle. So maybe about 67 or eight of these Yemen's Oh, not the position and pick the snake up. Can I go walking down the street heading for the jump on?

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Remember that there's a new family living in this house that has a new boy, that they've been playing it. So they walk up to the back door and they knocked on the back door. When the mother comes to the door, they said, Hi, we're Billy's playmates.

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Can he come out and play with us? Mother, that's who are you? And she sticks her head out the door to see who they all right. Here's a snake looking at her. Landry Franks. That's bad news. You know you've done something to the mother or the new.

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So the kids close the door, go back down the stretch. Speak. Take a one up and put it in the jungle. For what? Uh huh. Over a month, that little fella couldn't play with E. Never really understood what it was. I'm sure everyone that you talked to your has one or two of these tales.

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Call them jungle tales. Used Thio. Yeah, church. You would think of it as being a crocodile or alligator? Yeah. Canal zone did not have alligators. Can l zone didn't have crocodiles. They had a member of the crocodile. Family called. Came in. Looked like a crocodile. Doesn't mean like a crocodile lived in the swamps.

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And from time to time, some of the older boys would go fishing from these and put a hunk of meat on the hook and hang it up into the swamp area. Tie the rope. Had a hook on a train to a tree lamp. On the morning when they went to school.

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They could see the tree limb, and if it was level, they didn't have anything. If the tree limb was pulled down and they knew that they something that skied the hook E after school there. Go get that out on, uh, kill it on, then flagged down the next bus on.

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Put the body on top of the bus on. Take it down to the market where they get sold the height. Why would they do this? And needed money to buy a concerted from their girl that they were gonna take to the test touch. But that's that's the story we give our parents we're going to speak with.

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But we did Not all of us. Some of us got You know, I if you think about you going up, what did you do? Thio spending money. Had a few lemonade stands, good goods, things like that. Good. Couldn't have lemonade stands in the zone because we really have limited access.

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Toe ice. What else did you dio? I think that was my extent other than chores around the house, chores around the house and the canals didn't exist because all the housing George were done by the government. All the grass cutting, painting, repairs to the banisters and we're not done by the government.

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So wow, Extra work opportunities for the years were limited. Now I did things like paper routes. Mhm. That's right. Worldwide part time job difference. I did pin setting and bowling alleys, nose legs. We didn't have automatic pin setters. He had a pin center. He sat down there and dodged the balls.

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And Dodge depends and set the pencil. I have way thought of baby sitting, but the funny thing that I really don't have a good explanation. Boys didn't baby shit, boys. My pet sip. They would suppressed, not babies. Baby sitting was the basically allocated to the girls.

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The girls have the baby sitting basically locked up. Doesn't say that. Maybe a brother was roped in by the parent for baby sitting duty, but that not something he talked about bragged about paper rods. Penn sang. Some of them did attrition. They were Texas. Many fishes.

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They could on, uh, haul them down to the local market and some of them by the by the foot. Uh huh. I am lifeguard. Didn't last guy did it for many years, was restricted to the boys and the qualifications for life. Scott beauty was you had a past the Red Cross lifesaving course.

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And if you happen to be a boy, Scott and you had first aid, lifesaving and swimming, and you basically were qualified to be interviewed. Every town had swimming pools every time the swimming pool was tied to the place had where there's physical education. Gentlemen, I have talked about Managed it on.

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He certainly didn't wanna be tied toe last guard duty every time the pool's open so he would round up a couple of boys and make sure they qualified when they were the lifeguards. Girls that go for the lifeguard day. I think some of the training might have scared them off.

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I think some of the training just wasn't made available for, you know, if you were you were a girl Scout. E was actually a brownie and Girl Scout. Did you do life saving? No. All right. How about first day? Yes, we did. You first aid. Okay, but swimming.

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No basic requirements for left actor. So that's something you couldn't do it. You just didn't have any opportunity. One time in a Yeah, I am. I was a pool of town pool Micah for seven years. Um, so a lot of kids grow up on the place.

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Said it was basically the canals on daycare center uh, today on the young parents know where the nearest daycare center rest of your community didn't have. Daycare Way had the place here by the place had taught us was a big Jim. So during the rainy season, we were taught all the indoor sports, basketball, volleyball you get played dodgeball, dry season.

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They had ball fields. And so you learn baseball, software, football. And, of course, when nothing else was available, the swimming pool it was there that all of us were swimmers on the town's all had swimming makes the drop of a hat way. Have a Boy Scouts wearing reach from all the Boy Scouts competed.

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They were girl scouts were inmates. They made me over town. So all of us is actress qualifications up again in the canal zone. Okay, most of us learned to swim almost before we learned to walk. Your initial qualification was to get your be bad for a beginner on if you had a B badge and you're so did on your swimming suit that qualified years swim in certain areas off pool or the lake on.

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Then you worked up Thio. That will be a ni for intermediate ring and then you you got a s for swimmer. The last bag within a for advanced runner, Each one of these badges. What is your passport To go swimming in the leg. Unlimited swimming in the lake to stay close to shore.

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Uh, swimming in the baby pool, swimming in the big pool. A lifeguard who was having a difficult session with one of the swimmers, but pull the back way headed by pulling the badge. You demoted them one or two levels down because they acted upon way. Didn't do that.

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Too much of usually more whistle blowing about that matter so essential. Now you hear the rand coming. I know. Raining season, Uh, and all of my time down in some. Never had a rainfall there. Had an umbrella. Had a poncho. Uh huh. That was usually large balloon material that a hole cut in it because you kept losing it.

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Yeah, but if you got wet and I will show you be drive, get up in the morning when they look at the cloud formation. We got 30 minutes to get to school because gonna rain. Uh, it's raining, so I gotta wait 30 minutes with stop uh, but all of us got pretty good to forecasting the rain cycles.

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So we knew how much time we had, Uh, some of the men who worked on the locks that had to be in the open all the time became veteran, unwell and uses. They could keep that everything. They could control it from running down the next back rainbow.

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Like when the season. You know, I was wearing You played football. Listen, did you put your football in school? Yes, I did. Yes. We like pulling garden with a high school to you cross city player catcher and based on Yeah, I did not do water. Call motion was that big water pool.

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Was that big? A big sport? It was a kind of a filling sport between basketball and baseball was a sport that be done doing rainy system. But, uh, I ain't never my leg never let me do that kind of swimming. Never worked with public. I could swim pre style as long as it wasn't more than 50 yards.

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And I just love that happen. But good diver, um, way all land had a somersault backward. Snips. Keep our teeth, sister. Yeah, way Everybody knew everybody on a few, uh, stepped out of line e just doing something you really shouldn't have been doing. It took property four hours at the most eight and your parents knew about it Wasn't so much people.

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And much of it you ought to know what your I saw your son doing it. If you want to do something about it brings up to the O in our small town. The police station that sells and I had one pad itself padded saw was a gentleman that maybe got out of control.

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They locked in the padded cells so they wouldn't hurt themselves until they had a chance to recover with. Padded cell was also excellent place. You got a choice, young man. Four hours in the paddock, salt before your parents never called parents go on the Paterson. Did you ever go in the patterns My name's on the wall with you Can't be one of the other period group that's done your time e we're talking about.

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It was all, uh when you were punished that way you knew what you have done. E knew why you did what? You shouldn't have been going on therefore, the punishment was a appropriate way. No, I will tell you that some parents enjoyed watching the Children aboard.

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Some of the parents expected the young boys will be boys way that they were gonna do things that we're gonna fall out of a tree fall off by something that was appalled learning how to be a young man. Other parents were very uneasy with given that up with.

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So they very vory control controlling in their neighborhood e way new, which parents were together. So if you want to agitate ones that should be agitated very easy to do when I go playing the Rose Bar. Still playing in the garden in the back if the apparent song that we, uh, three or does failed way wouldn't let that happen, uh, kind of control our neighborhoods, but, uh, even today e meet people I haven't seen for 20 or 30 years, but I e no, the kids e know their wives on It's like, uh, within five minutes, we'll find some common.

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Remember, we're getting something and laugh about the top. Uh, thanks Every event outside your town a zai was growing up. You traveled by train, so I can't tell you. When I first knew all the train schedules, but very early, I knew that the four trains is the day I knew exactly the time they were coming into our station where, exactly the time they were coming back.

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Um, you made sure that wherever you want, when you knew the train times at that station e across it, you missed the train. Uh, you either had a wait four hours for the next one, or you might have to wait overnight. So, uh, if you had a a new event, a baseball game or a basketball game for a date with a girlfriend And the other time, uh, we had to make sure whatever you were doing was tied Thio wind, you have to be about the train station, Uh, Katou, your seven miles inland from the Caribbean and the last bus from the port town to get to know about 11 o'clock at night.

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So if you were taking a young lady out from Margaret Reader, the bus came through that bust up at 11. 15, better be on it. Otherwise, you had about a six mile walk right down jungle. No streetlights. We got home by following the center of the road.

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Usually make out the center marking, make a lot of noise. Always whistled. Shuffled my faith. Yeah, Basically, what you're saying is I'm coming. Get out of the way. You know, in all of my time in the jungle, I only saw a snake crossed. So evidently I was successful in my noise on, um, one time I was raining and I had to get home.

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I didn't really feel like walking seven miles, so I went to the police station. Uh, is that in my case, way minded? Then what? My parents would say if I once in home in the morning. So the police officers gave me a right six miles down the road where he met the police coming from the other town.

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Big swap of the prisoner. When they were taking me into my town, They said, We'll drop you off the house and you're not gonna drop me out of a police car in front of my e. Drop me off someplace else. You know, my father had been very concerned.

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You'll be going home in a police car. A, uh you expected certain things and When I graduated from high school, I didn't quite have the money. And my father was, uh, Thio cover the college expenses. So my parents agreed that I could sign up to be in a press that was not quite.

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I was only 18 years old, so I had a have their permission. Do you agree to sign a contract? For four years? I was a electric. So for four years, it was trade as a warming, which is electrician's. My father was very concerned. In fact, for some reason, I would decide not to go to college.

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He had decided that, uh, he had tools and they had an education. You could always flying Where, uh, we've had a college education you could find better. So he had always one of mature. I went to college like my brother and my sister. So he agreed that if I took the Spanish ship, I should live at home and play my mother 75% of my salary for rent e learning.

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99 cents a narrow, working 40 hours a week. They didn't figure out at 99. 40 e wasn't making $40 a week. We'll pay him 75% or $30 so that leaves me $10. Uh, that's not much in the way of spending money when you're a worker. But that was the agreement, uh, out of his money.

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E could take a $10 paper and by tools. So I finished my apprenticeship. I must have had 50 scratch, 10 pliers and everything else I need It took my rent money on they bought saving spot. I don't know if you're familiar about doing W w two of the war savings and then after that of the best government savings box Hey, March savings bonds with the understanding that if and when, uh, not if when I went to college I could use the savings bonds for tuition.

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Well, the hooker waas if I didn't go to school, whatever reason, Like get married a what? That money was So a little sudden about two years into the program, you come along, says how things going, all right, he's going to go to college where I'm thinking about it because there were $3 to We'll have a big talk about it that e worth $3000.

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I'm going to school E When I didn't get ready to go to school, E I had a choice between a mighty on Georgia Tech to great schools but different schools. And while I was trying to decide that, I got notified that I'm gonna be drafted, I had filling a Air Force reserve slot at the local Air Force base.

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I had four stripes. I was working on airplanes and having a good time. So I went to the Air Force and told them that the Army was trying to Drastic. It's a real shame because we just called you the active duty as a tomorrow. Going to be in the Air Force.

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Give me a son of orders toe, go back to the post office. And when the draft notice showed up, their letter stamp no longer at this address attached my orders. Thio, send it back to the booth. For two years, I was a sign Thio. Local Air Force space All book has an aircraft.

00:43:16.120 - 00:43:40.460

Electrician worked on airplanes, flew on airplanes. Any plane that needed a test flight. I got toe fly with torches. Check flight bugs, check the engine speeds and e feel all over South and Central America Hey, playing it was sick. Always part of the crew that would go down there and fix it.

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So people ask me e like the military Teoh A good time. Kind of roll their eyes. Don't know what I'm talking about. E had a good time in the Air Force. Still, Air Force was a great great service. The rest of my good tale that the Air Force is number one E.

00:44:05.660 - 00:44:33.120

Uh, but, uh, at the Air Force I found I qualified with him, Bill. Mhm. So I went off to college and I went upto upto my to e. I wanna start school in the summer way, even have any summer programs. And they gave me a list of their clothing that recommended what happened in others.

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They were sport coats and blazers. What's up? E only had one sport cut. Yeah, So I went down to Georgia Tech when you and talk to him when they were starting summer school the next week. Hmm. I looked around the campus. No, no sport cuts, no ties.

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No. Which I think is all khakis. Half of them had tacky uniforms with the stripes torn off. E. Can she don't like Georgia, Texas. It's more white type of school. So I signed up the next wait and they had a George detectives on the quarter system Because of the co op program.

00:45:23.790 - 00:45:49.430

Every quarter or 15 students signed up for a class in the catalog they would hold. That course might be at nine o'clock at night or two o'clock Saturday afternoon, but you could take the course on Meet in a Hurry. I started school at the beginning of summer.

00:45:49.990 - 00:46:16.880

I stayed in straight through three years. E was taken with winter courses in the summer summer courses in with, But I finished the four year program in three years. A rambling second Bobby Dodd guy. People ask me to play football. No, I didn't want to get hurt, so I played in the marching band.

00:46:16.890 - 00:46:52.320

E think I had a lot more fun. Went with it, went with E. You know, one story of my first one of my first race with my wife to be, Oh took it out of the Georgia took football game because I gotta get tickets from Goto and pressure give her the best seat that I could find right next to the bass drum e, uh, quickly moved up on the stands with my fraternity brothers.

00:46:52.330 - 00:47:16.070

Not only it was a bass drum and pull you away, but I think they had some liquid refreshments of e e Had a good time with an E. So I joined up with General General. I picked up the school when I moved me around engineering training.

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Fuck out. And then they found out I had all of this Panama Canal experience on large motors generators from the shipyards e was out that this is the same type of equipment is used in stillness. So they quickly moved me into being a part of the team that was installing the first computer I still met.

00:47:44.480 - 00:48:32.500

Oh, so, uh, you know very little about them. To us. Very little about making steel E. I knew how to make motors and generators. Right? So all of a sudden I was just a steel mill controls. Then I did aluminum milk across e. My was I was assigned to a special system of application office that we referred towards the turkey farm because we did the first application of any industry to prove that a computer could make it work once it was done and we turned it over to a production group to make money and we moved on to other things.

00:48:32.870 - 00:49:00.760

Okay, I learned that. Oh, load coal on a ship going on the seas to keep any baj learn how to make rubber tires on. Now that nine call out of the underground go to drawl for unmanned train that ran through the mountains of West Virginia. They call from a mind, or Parker kept running in the canal zone.

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Uh, my wife swears they're making a smell. It's out. You know, when you run down the Pennsylvania Turnpike in the late fifties or early sixties and you pull and or a restaurant and you go into the restaurant is when you park the car. If you look over there, you see a canal zone license plate walking over the restaurant.

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Just look around in the middle of winter and she who has the tam on you walk up to him. I was like, Okay, what town are you living in the canal immediately? They know somebody that I know they could take a message back to go running into them.

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I've met Canal Zone people 20 of four or Chicago hotel Elevator opens. And here comes high school football player that I play. The gas unit is wonders. Bedroom. When I was going down to the dinner, you know, we were all over the place. No matter wherever you were, No matter how we had been with each other in the song, there were no enemies.

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Absolutely no, Still will. You could laugh about some of the things, but transferred. But it was just good to see. I don't talk about, you know, the, uh, people ask me how I feel about canal today. I'm glad that the Panamanians are doing a fine job to this day.

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I'm still matters. Help, excuse. No way I'm giving back way. E. Don't think anybody still upset? Wait 27 years way middle of way Found that I've done that way. Not allowed. Not allowed any markings on the wall. So what did you do? Well, I was putting a lithe What?

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He did hear what he did, What he spends Build it over there. He they were building a smooth Yeah. Finished booth. Fences followed up for the big opening up. Some of the boys went skinny dipping that night. Booth, they were spotted on, uh, police sergeant with the serene came aboard.

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Everybody had plenty of time to get back out, head for the jungle on and maybe one out of 10 with taking down to the had itself waiting for the way. Alright. Next day, all the dignitaries show up to go down with pool. Open it right, except the balls out acting.

00:54:42.840 - 00:55:09.440

No, I can't. So what? They thought exactly what you were thinking. What did these boys do with going on the system? That we haven't gotten any water was here a fighter? Waters? Not here now. So all of a sudden they look at the bottom of the pool, a whole bottom of the pool and something about six inches about the size.

00:55:09.440 - 00:55:34.730

They're gonna take it from there because cracking home. And then my dad said, I know I know that about I'm not to tell this part of the pools on virgin ground. It hasn't been destroyed. That part of the pool was built on film back in about 1920 25 way extended this for a volleyball court.

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So we pushed drip over the hill. Should have packed down e. So, anyway, our pool, because he had with the pictures now taking five years later, report back on as he signed. He says wild swimming. Don't mess with the pats on the buck. Now, any new person but in the past, on the bottom, like a better about the question was about whatever it is you don't ask for.

00:56:09.210 - 00:56:34.470

Okay. We're concerned about the way the patch was put in because they never began to fall away from the malls. You got to reach it. Pull my e right. Water stayed in this time way. Have a leaking for it. Uh, now we're on the top of a health and you lose your swimming pool full of water.

00:56:34.480 - 00:56:58.500

All the water is coming with the gun. If you can't see it running down the street, you can't see it running down the sewers. Read the water bill on all of a sudden, About almost a three or four days later, on a mile further down the slope, all this water gushed out of the side.

00:56:58.670 - 00:57:19.740

Give a landslide on that. Take that long for what? They work down. Well, now when you take a look, pools appoint egg water came out of point B. Your door line from A to B. Everything on that line might have had the foundations of horsepower. Right?

00:57:19.750 - 00:57:54.410

This is like the post awful back for forward fiction is an apartment building, Masonic Temple, all on that line. So now you have to go in there and you're drilling. Try to find out with cavernous sinkhole your from being down here. What happened? They were, but they that water evidently never created a path I just seek through.

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So those old e finally showed up. But anyway, you think e remember down here e you always to remember that you in America isn't American holidays. Big attach. Yeah. Fourth of July was always a town barbecue in our town. I'm showing the other towns did the same.

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Never lived as I can't take. But we would, uh, barbecue a complete steer on. That was a community project a day before we will prepare the fireplace. It was a certain individual, certain men who were the cookers. Yeah, There were other men who were the, uh, routers.

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Just stood around all night and put it on as I was doing, young men were considered to be the would bear. Yeah, girls was ladies pray finger at night. So because the sun was going down, he started this fire. Get the coals, get the rock stuff on the beef was all being prepared with the secret recipes of the barbecue sauce that I had a really, really mild all the way up to that.

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It's gonna really screw you up for a month at the other end. You all doing their thing? Because that's what the cooks that did it every year e the ladies were in the tent. Bingo. Bingo has been game down there for the goes on and us kids were to stay out of the way as you got older.

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You had the job of keeping firewood talk on they had beer e do not remember keg beer as much as bottled beer. But the keg beers were around. So by nine o'clock in the morning, when the meat was ready, uh, the cook had to be escorted home.

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Uh, but then there was a lot of families brought fruit. Like the men who were chosen to cook to me. All of the families had their family specialty as whether it was a potato salad and coleslaw or or baked beans. Man on Set it in long tables and the whole town had a picnics.

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Be a family, usually that keep us all the way while the food was finishing. Swimming. Meet uh, sometimes, Uh, depending upon the mood of the physical education teacher, you might have scheduled a track meet. It was for the community. Bring outsiders in. It was your chance will be.

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These women on in your age group way have patriotic readings on, of course. At seven o'clock in the morning on the boy stops on anybody who could beat a drum lower bugle way, raised the flag, get the last e don't remember to take it down at six.

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That was bad. News is they didn't take the flag down, but we would. Technique would start probably around 11, 11, 7 run until nobody could get anymore since three o'clock in the afternoon before. Yeah, You know, I really can't remember any leftovers. I'm sure there were, but I'm sure they shared these the leftovers.

01:02:11.510 - 01:02:47.430

Or maybe, uh, some of the other not American community issues. You enjoy the froth. Look up. You went home feeling like I can't wait for the next week my way. Participate in the parades, little cemeteries and put the flag count in the Arkham Mary of the Atlantic Side, A big parade was a mixture of American units.

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Okay, Panamanians, now within the Panamanian community that a big community band was a band with the Fire Department so they would march in the parade. Latin American beat, um, they would play American Marches. You really wouldn't recognize the B two, but you could recognize the tone.

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So it all lined up the Boy Scouts Tuesday he placed in the middle of the parade. So start off around the corner, heading to the cemetery. Navy bands playing, uh, captains marks and the Marine Band is playing its Thio Triple A and, uh, almost on the Army's playing over Hill over Dale.

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The case on so much again, you get all your Boy Scout troops more time. Instead, you get a mall counting cadence and in study American bands with take a rest as they marched along with Johnson, the Panamanian Fire Department band with chicken on, start playing the same music.

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Well, then five beats every one of the boy Scouts will be out of step, but they just couldn't adjust to the Latin on and, well, Panamanian Ban. Because we're watching along this hooting and tooting beating the drums way we're all skipping and trying to get back and stepped on one of the band.

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Finally, brand stopped that time on the American bands kicked in. We were back in step with them, too. Big it. Now, if both plans were both banned groups of land at the same time, that was interesting to be because the front line of the Boy Scouts were being stepped in, the backwards would be all over the place.

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You know, we knew it was gonna happen. Way would practice and rehearse marching. We would practice and rehearse cables, count way use, hand signals and everything else. And it happened every time we went that way. And so all of a sudden you just go on for the ride and have a good time March out to the cemetery.

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They have all the patriotic speeches and whatnot Veterans Day we'd put American flags on. Then we would animal home leaving the cemetery. You didn't march marches secretary walk home and we would go to the baseball games that mount Hope, which was right next to the route to the cemetery Baseball games of Sunday afternoon on All the sudden we would hear him coming.

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Funeral police on they would come down the street can ever remind you if you were like a e. Do no more land a tomato Go on Obama New Orleans Funeral band As they marched to the cemetery opened and coats all the ladies air in the white dresses.

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All the churches are watching behind the hurt and they're playing the odds All of the traditional. Thank you. Yes, actually, a church music say goodbye. Alright today And you almost wanted Sometimes the baseball game would stop while they marched by. Out of respect. Uh, Radha spot with a referee is going to stop the game without upsetting everybody would stop the game e I want to talk about now, Coming back from the funeral burial, that band would be strutting down the thing playing.

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You know, uh, when the saints go marching again and every other song that you can think of it. Uh, you know, they were celebrating. They were celebrating the fact that one of their friends and going on. Uh, there was a good thing because, uh, when that happened, baseball game didn't stop just watching to come by.

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So, uh, another job that I have going back a little bit, uh, earn money. I qualified to be a soda pop vendor at the baseball games way would, uh, carry a little cases with them Soda pop bottles on. Got old enough. You could carry Thio on your walked up through the crowd selling soda, pop, uh, nickel bottle on very body.

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Your soul. You gotta paint. So you got smart after a while by put a little bit of ice signaling a soda pop. Kept the drinks a little bit colder. So it didn't frizz when you popped up camp on the rial thing was to qualify to be back at the depot under the stands.

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Yeah. One of the boys qualified toe load the ice buckets way had things about the biggest. Those tables here had, uh, walls around them, and you stood all the bottles in just disclosure to get him on. Then you took £100 blocks of ice and chipped. Um, you chip them to get ice down, so everything was ice cold in about 30 minutes from the ice secret monster Get all the ice chipping without accidentally chipping lid in the sort of because then that bottle was defective.

01:09:20.810 - 01:09:48.690

Okay? And so you always had a have one or two defective bottles more to make sure the flavor where the bottle was, like with chip the bottle. Okay. You knew that the adult coordinator was gonna has words of wisdom to you about the qualifications and how to use a nice chipping way would load the trays, keep setting out this little buckets.

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Mr. Guys Character. No girl ever worked with us like that way. Could have trained her to chip Ice way. Probably wouldn't let her carry the buckets because that was in, uh, too heavy for the danger later, right, But, uh, see, like I said, once again, girl up the baby said, uh, pet sitting lesson with tap cats seem to be that that was also accepted, uh, opportunity for young leg, but, uh, not not a dog.

01:10:30.360 - 01:10:51.450

Definitely things like snakes and whatnot, but maybe hamsters way had monkeys. One of the families had little a miniature monkeys called Mama Sarah right on your shoulder. You could teach them toe, put their tail around your neck so you could write him on a bicycle and they wouldn't fall off with you.

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Those with those kids, they will look up to that. They had their own market. There were some boys, you know, delighted and bringing snakes back in the sphere of their mother way. Had one gun fellow in that time. And here was his duty. Any new teacher that came to school sometimes the first week he were if he was in turn class, I'm gonna show up with bull constrictor wrapped around his waist under his shirt.

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Mhm. When things got interested in the teacher was trying to impress the students with are teaching skills. It was interesting to see the reaction when all of a sudden, the snake appeared on her desk headed corn. One of our teachers went out classroom through the door without they were opening, and he was toured right off the hinges.

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Yeah, uh, need us to say the principal came in with blood. Me got it so routine that one time I got a new teacher in that we really like. Sorry. Principal came in and read him the riot at No snake tricks for this one. Uh, you know, it, uh, people ask.

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Well, where do you get the shadow? Oh, thanks. How do you get it in the school while he wrapped around his waist? Well, didn't anybody sitting inside the shirt, But then it's grazing the day now, dummy, don't you know, broken strip? This tales gotta grab onto something.

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I know the crunch. You can't just squeeze yet. Everybody knows that. Everybody got to know that that was, uh, way regulated by great school kids together. High school kids remember the snake coming in and going. E s listening on a sloth. We had a sloth out.

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Tell me also came through the window way. Also, it kind of waiting for somebody else to tell the teacher. Then all of a sudden, we realized that mosque to lay down. That's that's both. Put horror upon my teachers knee and she went straight up on the desk, crossed all the arms out the door.

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Use it. Okay. Principal hopes will be here to see us, right? Way it happened way. Saw it. None of us got expelled for none of us got, uh, huh? There might have been some letters gone home to Paris. Thio, tell us what was appropriate. Not that it was, uh, kind of an atmosphere, but if you stepped out of line using, you're gonna be corrected.

01:14:25.050 - 01:14:47.460

Not punished to the point that your spirit is broken. But just you were gonna they're gonna spend time explaining to your wind. Shouldn't know that that's not the way to do this. I'm not. I have no cavities. A great place to live. No. You know, I really could talk for about four more hours.

01:14:48.140 - 01:15:22.230

Whatever. I'm not talking about Harvey's. Get on in the harvest down Marath. You couldn't collect stamps because the glue moisture in the gloom and all of a sudden stick all your stamps to glam. Yeah, Model trains, Lionel equipment. It was hard. Thio collect model trains because Lionel belt model trains to operate on 60 cycles.

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The United States had way had 25 seconds, which was good for the masters. Incredible. So unless you spent the extra time to buy a 25 cycle control transformer, the train would burn up within our if you were smart enough to get a 25 2nd transfer, and you did we go into the locomotive and clipped the whistle wire.

01:15:58.190 - 01:16:25.490

Lionel Bill through the engines with a whistle and about technique they used was sense that 60 cycle when you push the button, you converted the current to D. C and whistles or the bells. 25 cycle frequency is so much slower that you didn't have to push the question.

01:16:27.030 - 01:17:01.360

Whistles and the bells Rand contender Seuin. Now, if you think of a model train running in your mother's bedroom with the whistle blowing 100% of the time, you have a feeling how long it would last on. Surprisingly, all the mothers by the cross communicating quickly found out where to take the wires and what wired they give it to the whistle for the best.

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Yes, definitely. All right model trains are 25 cycles. Way were limited as to how much the suspects way E canals on commis, eyes supply and all of your cards, and they were good bye, maybe Christmas time. 10. Locomotive sex, 10 train section and you have 50 kids of one trainings.

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So 10 got trains and 42 Well, if you ask your aunt or uncle in the States, the bio trained seven Senate Thio. They would send you a train set. There was suitable toe work in the United States, not one that was suitable to work in the canal zone.

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And therefore there was a modification trade built up. People in the know that what to do to make the train to work. What Lionel wants. A big model train directorship breakfast that's also had motors operating devices that didn't work well on 25 shots. So do the mechanics of putting all of post and whatnot together.

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But not the elevators and things like, Oh, are they? Thanks the hobbies itself. We're Harvey's air, basically that somehow survive the tropics. And they were handed down by older brother toe younger brother or Dad toe First Boy as Thistle is gonna be your Harvey because we could make it work.

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Waking support. It don't know about that, Harvey, because it's mad. That's a stateside. Harder, huh? It was under strength, you know, When the canal was finished ready to go into service, the management realized that. Guess what? Married employees are better employees thing. Bachelor's bachelor's can't wait till Friday night.

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Well, I spent Saturday and Sunday and then it takes Monday, Tuesday, maybe Wednesday for them to recover. But then they want to get ready for the next weekend. Her right hand. That's not a problem. So they thought this way at the end of the construction period when they were trying to get their permanent workforce, you could set up.

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Yes. They found out that men want to get married, and if they give them better living quarters called family quarters instead of back from quarters, more of them would marry and stay there. Then all of a sudden, they found out if the gentleman went back to the state.

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States married a girlfriend who had been waiting for bad news when they bought that young lady down to Tropic living. On the other hand, if they married a girl who was there a daughter of a family nurse who was working there, uh, marriage went well, mhm.

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And what it waas at delivering, uh, routine, a very unique thio surviving in the jungle. Tropic houses went in the jungle in the jungles over that things like put me twice in the salt. Sort of what you saw taking, uh, treated string wrapping around the every leg of a table to keep insects off the tail.

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The French and some of the other people have actually taken normal sauces of water. We put all of the legs and the water to keep the animals and get enough. But that was a crime mosquito breeding area. So that had a stop way had treated strange, uh, constantly fighting the battle of broaches.

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Mhm. All of the clothes closet had racks from you to put your shooters on. They had eaters to get them to drive him out because it's like this ran in here. I'm you're gonna walk out to your car, right? Sure. He's going to get wet. Okay.

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What do you do when you go home, take him off, put in the closet or something? Not in the trunk that they would mold overnight. So you have to remember and put them where they could drive. Well, uh huh. The girl coming down from the States without any preparation as to what she was facing with just a tough adjustment on, and many of them just couldn't do it, So they they had a management decision, and I created like, five professions.

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They were gonna be kids gonna be filled by unmarried American girls school teaching. What's wrong, Nurses? One night telephone operators will have. Yeah, library. Yeah. When the fifth had kind of a casual, uh, if you really wanted to bring the girl down, give her a title and put her in the fifth Cataracts.

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Are these girls? Thanks. The contract rated that long as they were unmarried. They kept the jobs. They had a performance, was kept the church. They got married. They've been a 30 day notice of termination. So, young lady, Really? Well, look at the guy e. I wanna lose my career.

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My marrying this, This guy? Not sure. Why then Don't had Yeah, I really want to do it. But you're gonna get fine. Okay? So every so many weeks, there would be a boatload coming in as a replacement. Young girls, my father being a bachelor, make no bones about hey and his buddies, where no one the boats were coming and go down to the docks.

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Watch the young ladies coming down the dang Clinton. Yeah, now they didn't have Olympic type scoring. It wasn't a 10 or nine, or they but definitely of course. Keeper. Find out where she was being assigned. Mhm. Yeah, well, I want to throw backs up text the next vote, but they basically, uh it was a how would you want to call our tradition of the replacement people they knew that didn't spot anybody of interest on this boat.

01:25:06.870 - 01:25:29.650

There'd be another one. Another four weeks come down, check out on. Uh, it was very rigid up until the beginning of the Second World War. And with all evil wartime employment in the States that just and plus the danger, get them on a ship and thinking down there they began toe left.

01:25:29.650 - 01:25:54.790

The ladies who America stay in the jobs, or they could be rehired in their previously position because they were trained. Now my mother was a telephone number. She got. She got married in the late twenties that would give up her job on the locks as a telephone operator.

01:25:54.800 - 01:26:26.550

But when the Second World War started, yes, she got hired as an army telephone operator on she was put over in the Army control centers, quickly recognized that she was listening to all this military dialogue and very little waas aimed at the civilian population. US, uh, report of something happening.

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The plane coming in Don't know what it is. Put the American put the military into their bomb shelters. Thanks. Somebody else was supposed to tell us to get the project. Never topas way. All had assigned bomb shelters on so my mother would tall and ask whoever.

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My brother, I my sister was sitting right there on that TV. Do you know where your sister is? Go get her home. Wait. Fine. Pillow blankets, food, water into the bomb Shelter didn't take long for the rest of cat to Thomas. Kids were going in the booth.

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All the rest of town into the booth. Mhm. Never once that the military for us with us ever wanted toe chew her out. I don't think she ever admitted to that she was calling us. He didn't something, but during the war way, all had civil defense position.

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Uh, if you were a boy, scouts like I waas when I've got first class. I had my first class training, Uh, let maybe a message between the various bomb shelters with messages. Uh, today I don't think I could have got out the first door with my parents.

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My mother if she really thought something happened but doing practices of your messenger and I got a little bit more first place thing. I became a stretch of birth for the first thing ditch. My brother was trained to be a auxiliary farmer. He was supposed to go out, went after a incinerated farms and came, uh, way all new when rehearsals was gonna happen because everybody was polishing our helmets and getting very surprised.

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But practice on her way. I don't know. Interesting water light. They would set off the smoke parts and they would find out how Maney smoke parks wouldn't ignite because somebody had taken the igniters out and used them to blow down palm trees. Uh, you know, tell us it was a big game.

01:29:03.750 - 01:29:23.790

Very, very concerned because half of the smoke parts didn't go off and therefore the locks was out playing video. Send the police side place. Sudden. God, tomb was very important. It was up to him to keep the kids right away. They would educate or something. Don't do that.

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Time barrage balloons would be going up. Shot one town. I had my model airplane into a big, big, big boom thing. You know, they wouldn't give you my plane back, E, but they didn't. They didn't put him in jail. Didn't make me pay for just election nears.

01:29:48.170 - 01:30:11.350

Don't do that. How old were you when that happened? I would have been, like, maybe 12 years old, had a gas engine, a model plane that I built. I had it running a big field. My miscalculated on the wind, going in blue, the plane right around him.

01:30:11.350 - 01:30:58.480

Good. At the barrage balloon. I'm yelling at him to get the blue and out of the way to stop the plane. Uh, quick ran into it. Oh, what me? They're right. Well, during the war, they're probably worth no. Three or 45 true instance when they didn't know what was about the have they saw something couldn't get identified on our first indication and Gattuso on was when all of the military ran for the gun position.

01:30:59.560 - 01:31:22.980

We had a gun positions all over time on whether it was not a gun. There was usually a barrage Balloon possession are a smoke part detachment. Those guys all ran for those things with way. Hadn't heard from my mother. It was a blanket Tello food to the booth.

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But those where did have, you know we would have to wait for the all clear. They were all trying to figure out who knew somebody who could tell us what happened. Uh, all the military new gun position buddies. What? I work for my girl? No, they were trained.

01:31:53.160 - 01:32:27.850

Don't wait and ask questions. Get to the gun position. Way we consider minutes. Neighbors. I realized that I'll be the parents were uneasy about their daughter's going into the military's establishment. Okay, They were all Lord. So if you were white House by the front station, you want to go visit?

01:32:27.860 - 01:32:50.160

My buddy lived down by the railroad tracks. Best way to get to him was through an army position. Eric Miss home. If I had my sister going down to visit her girlfriend think I'm gonna walk next to a half mile all the way around? I'll tell you right to the E.

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They had trouble. My father have done some friendly work for one of the guns. Best hall guys. One of my expeditions are best side called me Home E Got something for your mother take it. I kept thinking, What would I do that he's gonna tell my mother?

01:33:14.150 - 01:33:42.590

I was, like, in a note. Mhm. Give me a container. About the size of get a black case. Now, ground black pepper, ground black pepper and W W two was very scarce. Ration. That was a military issued for a mess. Well, like £5 of black. Oh, yeah.

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Take this to your mother and tell her she knows what to do with e 15 on she when she opened it. I'm merely she realized, share of the world. All of our shorts, but his bingo playing. But it's not God, Pepper, you say. Why does that get sugar date?

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Sugar, pepper. So you see, a young kid in church, you would recognize that one of the kids was younger in the the gun position and the rest of the crack, all of a sudden mother would send you over with a note. Uhh. You know, I think his name is Johnny.

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You know who she was talking about? Uh, come there come to the house for you know, on Sunday you had rationing, uh, on certain things, but I would say we never had shortage of food. It was interesting to try to get tires for cars. It was interesting to try to get shoes off the right size style, but and food you took what was in the concert?

01:35:11.660 - 01:35:39.760

You might not have a wide selection of what it was, but it was there. Oh, no. Some of the brands, we're really mystery branch spam. All of a sudden appeared on, uh, 10 different, uh, ways to cook it. Passed on by one. Listen to the next.

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Thank you. You know, your parents dog food we were given a dog to adopt? Uh huh. The owner was called back in the navy, so going to the States and had a daughter much. But we had dogs at a couple of times. Dog newest. Uh, yeah, Dawg.

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Gotta room formal name called Pretzel on. Why, Pressel? Because he went to sleep, folded up. It looked like a person. But what has been raised on Tan Dunford? Uh, what's the first thing that disappeared from the shelves was Can Duncan. That dog was starving. Way had it.

01:36:29.850 - 01:36:59.960

Get to the vet way. Okay, I'll write you a prescription for corn meal mush. go on me, You gotta make a mush. And I'm gonna give you another prescription for, uh, ground meat. The ground made was plentiful, but it was you had very little good ground.

01:36:59.970 - 01:37:41.760

You had lots of scrap ground way got scrapped on for the duration of the war. Because my father took on the responsibility of food for the family. He would cook up mush and prepare the ground beef and put it in the mush, cook it for in the cake pants on, slice it up into squares so that he had portions on our dog Was heard this homemade canned food.

01:37:42.230 - 01:38:13.350

It took about two weeks before the dog realized nothing else was coming. Better dog did well a couple of years. Native Wars over, right? What's on the shelves at the commissary can dog for just like what he always wanted. Uh, that crappy You going? Todo once the good stuff Bad.

01:38:13.360 - 01:38:38.180

But, uh, my dad must have tried 10 different ways to figure out how to get them Thio salting, putting gravy with dogs, starting again. Stay with the vet. Off course. You unnoticed. Mr Thomas, You're starving the star. Why don't you feed him uh, it's always up.

01:38:38.180 - 01:39:04.560

My dad decided Thio. He went back to the homemade dog You live for about another four years before he passed away on us with, uh, he let us know the He was the one who excited. You know what you see? No. I can remember very few people having thoroughbred.

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That's way all had much, uh, even the caps they might have had. You might have been able thio trace the breed back. Uh, if you knew what you were looking for, what the US they just catch. I think the day they call him a domestic short haired cat covers everything on, uh, long hair.

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It was too hot for them to be comfortable. So long hair cats didn't survive too well there. So therefore and yeah, until I was 25 years old. I never lived in the house with air conditioning trumpets. We had wide open screen porches on the freezes. Blue houses were all built up on stilts in a breezeway.

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When in the what you didn't have was urgently, all many of our screen porches on screen windows had no glass in them. There was no way to actually close the window and arranged wrong. You close the blinds some of the rain coming through the screens or hit the blinds and run down and hopefully back out.

01:40:30.290 - 01:41:07.620

But, uh, no glass? No. Where contestants Yeah, car has brought to the Solomon were delivered to the zone with no heaters. Uh, air conditioning didn't stop until after the Second World War, in course. But you have to understand that when you went to the States on vacation and you went up there in the autumn or winter, you could take your car.

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If you want to pay the Panama Railroad line to transport your car, you could take your car well, among what you got off the boat in New York City, there are certain shops in the area that you could drive your Carter on. They would reactivate the heater system for Could you imagine driving down the Ohio Turnpike rest No heaters in December?

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No, no, I'm from Florida to so Okay, so you had to reactivate his. And then when you got ready to go back on the boat, you don't want the heater because I don't need that. Go back to the shop and then give you a trade in allowance to take the heating system back off.

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But you can always tell car that belonged Thio. Short timer. Hmm? Somebody just off the boat. You had a working meeting. Get rid of that. You get a system this time, Children. Uh, my popular source of stuff. Susan Robert. Catalog. Yeah. Susan Roebuck catalog. It was always available to us in his own.

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You get a literate and they were chipped to you by male. Uh, in the the late forties, someplace along the line they activated in Panama. Catalog order service, seen stars. And you could go into that store, pick anything catalog. Yeah. Okay. Okay. You're leaving? No, I'm waiting for someone to come back and close up his computer.

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That's not going to say we'll have to quit. I'm gonna wait till you through. Keep talking. But this guy can talk about, but we would, uh, order it. And then they would somehow get the message up into the United States, and they would put all of the orders into a big crate on a ship that create back to us on the ocean.

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Cargo, rather than male has come to the store that opened the crate started pulling out all these packages. You get a call that your package was here? Uh, maybe you had ordered it two weeks ago. Uh, two months ago, they probably got around the ship into you.

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Three months ago, they were great source of parts for automobiles. You could order stuff for, like, a 1936 Hudson, which I had given to me by somebody. No radio. The housing war. Go out on dates. No radio e got a radio? Yeah, uh, going out on dates.

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That's nighttime drive. Going to the jungle with the old headlight. Can't see anything. Sears. Roebuck has a sealed beam. Headlights replacement. Put that on that thing. Doesn't have turn signals new cars after, uh, Sears and Roebuck has a kit order a kit. But that on then all of a sudden, I can't keep the battery chart.

01:45:00.440 - 01:45:29.300

No matter what I dio. I'm always having a dead back because I had put so much new electrical stuff on the car generator. Couldn't handle the look, but says Roebuck had a little kit e screwdriver. And you tend to screw when you move this lever and all of a sudden generator went from 15 AMP generator thio e.

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I would buy tools from Children. Will booth craftsman tools you're familiar with. Uh, Craftsman Tools were the best tool. And as a more apprentice, mhm. Very important for the image. When you have this old gentleman who's teaching, you haven't be Electrician's right, very proud that he was playing with Tennessee Valley Authority or whatever.

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Hey, had worked as a new skyscraper construction in the plant that his apprentice better be top of the line. Okay, And you better have the rightto uh, I had a toolbox. There was, like an oversized fishing wooden to a Bach Handel line on a Z. I got into my 2nd and 3rd year.

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I was given a health. His job was to carry the toolbox old the pipe while I thread it. But he was to do anything he had. Teoh, help me be better. One of the jobs he had to do every Friday was taking all of my tools on Rob him down.

01:46:54.680 - 01:47:17.930

Count. Make sure I hadn't lost something. E didn't leave something someplace and he would remove any rust. His favorite trick was e got a young boy. Start with because I'm not pressed using a printer's helper way found out that best way to get rushed off every cloth.

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You know what emery cloth is very rough all of a sudden, all my tools and shining just like the chrome plated but all the sharp edges around it. Three older helpers found out what he was doing. Not obvious use sandpaper and fascinating much saw for get the rust off the shine All my tools were marked with my marks on He even knew everything I had in my toolbox E Now you would come and tell May from time to time my screwed Eichel's being, uh, one DDO tune up the tips so I wouldn't mess up the screw.

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Hey, uh, he worked from that, but yet he had complete confidence that he could tell me just about anything what we were doing, what he was seeing, what he was finding on, I could accept that is, it's offered to help me rather than, you know I'm the boss and do your thing.

01:48:32.270 - 01:49:01.400

But, um, he kept telling me that toolbox didn't feel like, uh, wouldn't mark just but he would be very careful, but I didn't have a job. I used a big wrench are. And I would take that big wrench for that job and I would put it in the box and forget that I had it.

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And that added about £2 to the box. Hey, new to wither announce. However, that box e hit that heavy wrench and he would find it and he would put it back on my shop box a couple of days later, back in my box, get put it back.

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Ever saying Just doing one of the witnesses to play a joking man Took all the screws out of my handle, Took all the nuts on the back of the handle on and we went out on a job. And my helper, always when we're gonna border ship through a line down here, take the line running through the handle around the box.

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So we pulled and pulled on the bottom of the box e gotta help of new helper because mine got sick one day. I know all these lazy I just in fact, just tied the rope around the handle e climbed up the ladder, he climbs up the ladder and ways, and mainly they pull on the rope.

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Up comes my handle. No, Bach luckily, dropped into the into the ship. They were right there. Another one I had. I got close to $200. I'm joined you. Then the fun begin. Who took the nuts on? Why didn't you check my box and make sure nothing new rule clean my tools.

01:50:41.320 - 01:51:09.380

Make sure the nuts with another tale that, uh, laugh about today. But it would have been really tragic at the time. E m part of my apprenticeship. Could they qualified? Made climb towers on trying the towers at the ballpark on Replaced the ballpark lights once a year twice A guy.

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Uh, I was trained by the Tennessee Valley Authority guy because he was alignment. You could climb poles with hooks. Well, everything in Panama over steel board. What? But got outfitted with a safety belt. E was trained. How? Toe put my sheet. Okay. Don't let my feet get cock.

01:51:38.240 - 01:52:04.160

Did something. So if I slipped, they would break an ankle. I became a specialist and working on ship mask going up and fits in the the lights on the ship's mask on. Uh, they would either. Let me climb the mask. Or they had put me in a bucket on a crane and push me up into that.

01:52:04.650 - 01:52:33.870

Yeah. And the rules and regulations will work with you. Anything up to 99 ft was regular time above 99 ft. You got paid an extra bonus of five. It was, like 50 cents an hour. So when we worked on aircraft cares on the side of the what they call the island to get it ready to go through the canal.

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If you're on the side of the island over the water that was above 100 feets and you got extra money, you work on the side on the other side. You over the flight deck, not 100 ft. So I got standard paying. So when you're working with the island itself, doing way took things off so that it could fit through.

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The came out. The real secret was to figure out how to do everything from the hi site. You've got to get extra money. Oh, they knew it. They knew what you're doing. And they would watch it get over their water tanks, water tanks for a fascinating thing to walk on the speaking community Water tanks that a couple 100 ft here.

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Climb on them on. Then you gotta walk up the top of the tank. Get to the opening again. Tanks had aviation warning lights on. Uh, they put the lights where pilots could see him. Not where it's convenient to change the light bulbs. Uh, so you would basically get up there, climb up the tank tops with the top light fixture.

01:53:56.400 - 01:54:19.030

Then you use that as a pivot point by putting your safety ropes around that, Then you could walk back to the edge of the tank tied to the rope and change the light. Certain lights? Uh huh. The vein is easy to change. Other Lache It was really a pain in America.

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Get Thio. All of a sudden, those lights didn't burn out is fast. Then he found out that we were putting in, uh, 220 volt light bulbs into 115 votes. Circus. The neighbor lasting a lot. E kind of told us don't do that anymore. Inside the tank, they had, uh, Catholic protection devices, but they keep the rust of falling on the inside of tanks.

01:54:49.080 - 01:55:19.730

There's a long rods about tall is this, uh, building. Here you go inside the tank, Go over trodden big ding it with a hammer, depending upon the sound. There's a highly qualified castle replacement technician on E ball. And how much stuff came off? You could tell where the rod need to be replaced.

01:55:19.820 - 01:55:40.110

It would need to be replaced. You unhooked it electrically e. Then you tied a rope to it. Get a rope stand on on your hope for standing up in the tank at the opening would pull on the rope, lift the rod off for the hook office hanger on.

01:55:40.110 - 01:55:57.830

Then you would guide it over to the opening and you pull it up on the top of the track and slide it off side off course. You're supposed to yell, You let go of the stuff off choice words. But everyone had different words that sounded better than the stuff going down.

01:55:57.840 - 01:56:31.860

Then you had to pull another rod up, threaded through the whole work, get rolled up to the hook hook, and then we connected. Now these tanks you know there's no ventilation in it. So, uh, it's really hot. You were trying to get somewhere to greet her, get a fan of blower, just blow error in, uh, usually just, uh, pace yourselves and came out to the opening and got here.

01:56:32.430 - 01:57:00.080

But it didn't take long to realize that, uh, you drop a tool. You know the tank. You know, all these things have big pipes that run down to the ground. You could hear the thing bring bring you. There goes $5. Christopher s, uh, short pieces of string tied to every tool tidy about secret was Don't make him so long, but they would trip.

01:57:00.080 - 01:57:38.550

You just want them down around the ankles. And when you walk, it sounds like a oh Christmas, but loved it. There's something about climate of tank on. Other people get off the ground. You feel very comfortable. You climb up the ladder to walk. I would walk around the tank top with no safety line leather shares until they put that comfortable with my balance.

01:57:39.600 - 01:58:07.800

Until I saw the boss go. Then, when the boss was showing up, nearly run and get hooked up with the safety lines, a much a thank I love time e did allow the mask works fixing lights in the shipyard. You worked the towers at the ball field.

01:58:07.810 - 01:58:38.200

You had two tires. There were maybe about 10 ft apart as faras the platform unless they were very flexible towers way learned getting one tower by shifting the weight. Get the time out of swing back and forth. So you get on the outside of the platform, start stringing you awake until you got the other time close enough that you could reach out and grab it and jump ones way.

01:58:38.200 - 01:59:08.790

Thought this was safer climbing back down the pole about 100 ft on, uh, railroad spikes that have been welded up. Then they climbed back up. That was too hazardous, safe and just jumping again until the booth. Pretty sick, growing up with enough Prentice part of the education that they were given us.

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Where is the fact that we're doing work as a craftsman? You're constantly being forced to be the jack, as are you doing something correct? Are you taking a risk that could be justified? Are you taking a risk of just playing stupid? On the only way you really began to gauge the crossover point.

01:59:41.520 - 02:00:13.320

There's to do some stupid things from time to time on, um, when you really almost get caught and it sinks in that, uh, what might have happened on then you realize that might have happened because you did something that you really want supposed todo You know, it was a lesson that hard to forget my wife today.

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Well, fuss that from time to time about, uh I don't want you doing that. I don't want the kids doing this. Favorite says you better tell me. Oh, no. They listen to me. Listen to you. No, no, no. You tell them. But don't. We had a good time.

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I always had a paper up. E When I was seven years old, E would meet the boat coming from the other town at 6. 30 in the morning. Pick up my 20 papers now. That man I was earning 26 I take the papers up, sell them first at the train station.

02:00:59.950 - 02:01:22.930

That train went on. I had a paper route of about 10 customers. That was my portion of the paper out. There was about four kids working with portion, um, later flavor. Well, it's actually January of 1942. You know what that date was? two months past, right?

02:01:22.940 - 02:01:49.230

Thea Army Post all of a sudden didn't have their paper way anymore because he was part of the Army group that got transferred. So my brother and I took over the Fort Members Army delivery right for the evening paper from February of 42 until October 44.

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Yeah, every night, seven days a week, 365 days a year. He and I met the evening train way, picked up our papers, took a motor or family car. My my father provided driving force me because he was using the paper money to put aside from my brother's college expenses on Also, you would mind Thio, but Way would sell about 600 papers on the painting way would sell about 150 on the night before painting.

02:02:40.790 - 02:03:11.330

So soldiers bought the papers. One of Warner's Way never had any fear. My brother and I could go all over that military post. It wouldn't let me in the beer halls because I was too young. Let him in the beer hall e. I had all the officers quarters to deserve a Thio stock.

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Eight. Go down. My father had a always leave one paper at the stockade. One paper at the gatehouse. Get for the guards. Uh, I was allowed in the hospital. I don't blush, but not in the VD ward couldn't. Young kids like you just can't go in and see how VDs being e.

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It was really the best education. But don't fool around because you don't want to end up in a e. Yeah, where you would sell papers, Protected train Six o'clock way would be at the post At 6 10, we were sold papers at the movie hall until 6.

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30. I would want a one wrapped delivering. My brother would run the other Route E at the movie theater at eight o'clock. So the papers as the crew left the first movie and also to those going into the second movie on at 8. 30 we would fold up and go home and be home by nine o'clock.

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I met ALS school. Work had to be done before insurance had ever done before. Uh, if one of us got sick, Thea, the other person had to do both routes. What? We had some boys that we would hire for one night even used my sister was about five years younger than us.

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Toe do certain things. Three American soak. It was really so trustful on that. Never had any fears. We would take maybe 100 papers and put him on the sidewalk. Going to this movie hall, put a cigar, barks on top with a walking because we couldn't man that spot.

02:05:25.940 - 02:05:57.410

We were selling papers someplace, huh? Come back. All papers would be gone. That money would be in the cigar box. Never lost a nickel way, Did that like a safe on 42 or 3. 44 d day, June 6 44. All right, so 3500 acres. Uh huh.

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Okay, but, uh, e soul, But first edition of noon, second edition, about four o'clock, third edition at six. On the fourth edition came in about 10. And then my my dad said no more people sparked them tomorrow way had I don't know if you ever seen a trolley conducted with this coin changer.

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One of the belt way had those that were used to make change on, uh, dollar bills went in the pocket, but, uh, nickels, dimes, quarters, no half dollars. Half dollars went in the pocket. What we on D day? We probably didn't give him any change for every nine out of 10 papers.

02:07:01.160 - 02:07:38.300

They didn't want to change. Celebrate. But my dad also told us that any soldier, any time doing our paperwork, thank you. Told us. And, uh, E just one of the papers have something to really pay us tomorrow, right? Dad said, uh, if he asked him, you recognize his face.

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Might not know him by name, but yeah, this is a older guys. Give a You'll get the money to you. A week later. All of a sudden you're walking into the barracks. This guy works. Bring around the corner. Yeah, well, you some money. Give your court papers for a nickel.

02:08:01.670 - 02:08:45.000

That's right way. Bring the money home and put it out on our dining table. Way shorter encounter. Roll it on. Uh, I guess about once a week, my dad would run down to the bank with all the money and deposited. Yeah, on. And, uh, once the money, we went down to the once a month, we went down to the, uh, paper office and settled up our bills on, uh, waas dad and Mom e thank my brother helping a figure.

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How much was profit? You really think about it when you pay your bills, Anything left over is profit. Eso Once a month, we knew how much money we wait. And, uh, next day we went to the bank and part of war saving waas. If all we had money was to buy a $25 bond, that's what we thought.

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We had money to buy $100. 100 about $100 bond When the war was over, Both my brother and I and my dad safety deposit box. We must have had war bonds. About an inch of the hat Really? Stack up. Made my brother's college education completely e paid about half in line.

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One of the members. Okay. Okay. What have I e think you've covered so much? You know, I really loved my sports. I love playing. Yeah, it sounds like you did so much to not just one active brunch together. Guys. E was pulling guard. I was a pulling guard because I could go left better.

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Like a go right swimming. But we know one thing. I didn't do much of its tenants like I played tennis, but tennis wasn't a bit sport e I didn't think office starfish feeling e didn't need to play tennis. Love, love bowling pin something really experience Don't again.

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Why? My parents let me do it. They wouldn't let my brother Dupin setting. Uh, but they let me do pin setting on every now and then. You know, one of the league bowlers. Usually it was a big bowl to be having a bad night. He would get impatient, just wanna get done and go home.

02:10:55.320 - 02:11:12.300

You down in the pit, picking up the pins and all of a sudden you hear that? Uh oh, my God. He's throwing the ball when you look up there. If you felt like you could get out of the way, you got out of way. If you felt like my God, I can't.

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You could reach up and pull the bar, pull the pin setting alignment mechanism down, and I will give you a barrier to bounce the ball off. When you You did that? Uh huh. It was a loud, loud bomb. Everybody in the bowling alley knew that somebody had pulled mechanism down because the ball was two friends all bowling spot while the guilty party was observed on.

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Of course, you tip there was probably cut in half whatnot, But one guy one night, Julian? Yeah, really impatient with all of us. No matter which one of us that he was sent in the alley with you. Yeah. Tourist words are we used to publish in Now, on all of a sudden, he threw the ball down the alley before I could get out of my pet thing.

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I got clear, but it was exciting. Pick the ball up. I had just enough room to get a little bit of a back swimming. Threw the ball back up the alley off course through ball. Back up the alley. Oh, everybody thought I had put it back on the truck.

02:12:49.970 - 02:13:20.330

Return cross eso Nobody was paying any attention to me. Oh, all of a sudden, somebody found this. Saw this ball coming up the island about 10 ft before wipe them out, yell but, uh, with test went through about four, um knocked down the scoring bench, bounced off the bench behind them on way went over to the other setting area.

02:13:20.340 - 02:13:43.980

Screams and hollers and people yelling e o get enough. Oh, yes, you have 20. Thank you so much for taking the time. I'll do this. I really appreciate it. It was wonderful thing to him. I know.